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This is an example of my '''IPA Quickhelp Templates''' idea for templates to use rollover "status text" to make IPA more comprehensible for beginners. The idea is that each letter is a link. When the user rolls over the link, they should get a short (under 15-word) jargon-free text explaining how to pronounce that phoneme. This links to a redirect which links to the jargon-titled article about that sound.

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:An alternative (if we don't want to use ascii ipa) would be to simply have it use <nowiki>{{ipa|beɪʒ}}</nowiki> and have a javascript that goes character-by-character adding the mouseovers. Such a script would be more lightweight, though not solving the issue of IPA being difficult to type. --[[User:Random832|Random832]]<sup>[[User talk:Random832|T]]</sup> 00:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


::Note: It might be worthwhile for someone to do a proof of concept of this in their user monobook (or whatever) .js --[[User:Random832|Random832]]<sup>[[User talk:Random832|T]]</sup> 12:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)⏎
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::Were we to do this I'd suggest we use [[SAMPA]] (and maybe some English-orthography based respelling also).  SAMPA is sometimes found on Wikipedia: either a leftover from the pre-IPA-template days or because some editor was unaware of the new style or incapable or too busy or lazy to use IPA.  But as I mentioned above we needn't restrict ourselves to only one input.  We could, for example, have three similar templates, let's call them <nowiki>{{Respell-IPA}}, {{SAMPA-IPA}} and {{IPA-IPA}}</nowiki> for sake of arguement.  The first could convert from some English-orthography based respelling to IPA, the second from SAMPA to IPA and the third would just leave the IPA.  They'd all look and act the same on the page (i.e. IPA with mouseover tool-tips). [[User:Jimp|Jimp]] 03:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
:::We'd probably want simpler names perhaps <nowiki>{{IPAR}}, {{IPAS}} and {{IPA3}}</nowiki> would do. [[User:Jimp|Jimp]] 04:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Probably use <nowiki>{{IPA}}</nowiki> for the version using actual IPA symbols, and maybe <nowiki>{{SAMPA}}</nowiki> for the version using SAMPA - the one problem as I see it is that if we add multiple ways of doing it, that's a lot of javascript to add (and, I'm not sure '''how''' we'd get it so that the mouseover text is editable by non-developers) - since as it stands the standard style is to use IPA symbols in <nowiki>{{IPA}}</nowiki> that seems like the best way to do it. --[[User:Random832|Random832]]<sup>[[User talk:Random832|T]]</sup> 12:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)⏎
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== Alternate Idea ==

After reading the above comment, I came up with a new idea.  Why not put all of the required templates into one big, easy to use template? 

Please note, right now, this template uses the letters of the English alphabet, but will later be transformed to IPA characters.

Take the phrase "Mac OS X".  Plugging that into my newly created <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:IPA_hover|IPA_hover]]}} looks like this:
 <nowiki>{{IPA_hover|M|a|c|_|O|S|_|X}}</nowiki>
and produces:

{{IPA_hover|M|a|c|_|O|S|_|X}}

Note that when each letter is rolled over, a "description" pops up.  The descriptions can all be edited in the page [[Template:IPA_hover/2]].

Any thoughts? <font face="trebuchet ms"> &mdash;[[User:Wdflake|<font color="#555"><b>W. Flake</b></font>]] ([[User_talk:Wdflake|<font color="#555">talk</font>]])</font> 04:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

:{{IPA_hover|L|o|o|k|s|_|g|o|o|d|_|t|o|_|m|e|.|_|H|o|w|e|v|e|r|,|_|i|t|_|m|e|a|n|s|_|t|y|p|i|n|g|_|a|_|l|o|t|_|o|f|_|p|i|p|e|s|}} (better than having to close & open double curly brackets for each phone/phoneme). Also it seems that it's inserting a line break before and after it. [[User:Jimp|Jimp]] 07:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
::Why can't I see any popup menu when I roll over your text? (I've allowed them on my browser) I was able to test all other tricks, but not that one. (tested both Firefox and IE) -- [[User:Womtelo|Womtelo]] 08:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)