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Salutations! <br>This is my current talk page.  Messages from [[October 1]], [[2004]] to [[October 25]], [[2004]] are at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive4]].  Messages from [[September 21]], [[2004]] to [[September 30]], [[2004]] are at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive3]].  Messages from [[September 1]], [[2004]], to [[September 21]], [[2004]] are archived at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive2]].  Older messages are at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive1]].

== Off the Reservation ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Maveric149]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Maveric149!  <br>Read your user page re your handle and wonder if you knew of congressman [[Maury Maverick]] of [[Texas]]?  He's probably best remembered for, after dealing with the alphabet soup of [[New Deal]] bureacracies, coining the term "gobbledygook".  There's also a [[Maverick County, Texas]], but that's a different maverick.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:58, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

'''Reply of [[User:Maveric149]] posted on his talk page:''' <br>
Greetings! But nope; never heard of the guy. :) --mav

== No Native Criminal Class Except  . . . ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Golbez]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Golbez!  <br>When last we talked back in September you said you hoped to finish getting the state delegation lists done by election day.  With a week to go, I wonder how you're coming along on the effort?  Don't know if you've seen him around, but [[User:Acsenray]] has been doing a lot of work on Ohio congressmen and lately has been working on a big article on political families.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:59, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
:Yeah, but the bigger states, combined with the less-than-perfect (but sometimes close enough) records on the sources I was using, forced me to slow down. I tried doing Illinois again on Sunday, but it was just not working out. I need to obtain a better source from the library. At best, I can complete recent congresses before the election, then work my way back. Thanks for checking up, and letting me know people care about my work. :) --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 17:13, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

== Who Do I Look Like?  Rand McNally? ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Avnative]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Avnative! <br>We talked before re your thorough [[Ridge Route]] article but I never checked out your user page until today.  Like your chatty style for your user page.  As a map junkie, I had to write to say I know where the Antelope Valley is, I having loved maps since I was a child.  Just as you've been doing many SoCal articles, I've been working on [[Warren County, Ohio]] articles.  I've posted a list at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Articles]] of what I've been working on.  If I can help you in those areas, do let me know.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:42, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

:Howdy, PedanticallySpeaking!  (That's western & [[Cherokee]] for Salutations)  Yes, I do indeed recall our previous conversation prior to [[Ridge Route]] making FA status.  Thanks for checking me out a bit more!  You like my style on my user page?  My students do too when I am in person with them. . .  I have found that asking questions engages the mind more of the one I am communicating with.  You are the first Ohioan that I know of who has acknowledged to me they are aware of where the [[Antelope Valley]] is - we need more map junkies!  So many of my students don't even know where something as significant as Edwards AFB is.  Self-centered souls. . .  (sigh)  

:The Warren County, OH article is rather similar to my Antelope Valley article.  Alas and alack, the Census Bureau doesn't compile info on geographic California valleys - we living here have to do even more research and extract the info from Los Angeles and Kern County info.  You have it easier. . .  Regarding "Hang on Sloopy," I appreciate knowing the story behind the name of the person in that title.  For years I knew it wasn't [[Snoopy]] from ''[[Peanuts]]'' and had thought the McCoys were referring to someone with a nickname (first name).  Now I know better.  Interesting story!  We all have stories to tell.  You in your own way help me - and also make Wikipedia an even better resource for all.

:Currently, I have a rather full plate, professionally and personally.  Of course, I'd be delighted to ask you more questions about your articles as I have time (and know of questions to ask).  We all have things to learn. . .  Of course, as you may have read from my user page, I have very high estimation of [[University of Southern California]]'s President Steven Sample (previously of CUNY Stony Brook) and how he prioritizes his time in sources of knowledge.  He mentioned last August in the Willow Creek Association's Leadership Summit he spends the most time reading in the classics and "great books" of literature.  Lesser time is spent on newspapers, magazines, current written works, etc.  What I do on Wikipedia many times is to be the "bridge" in the gap of knowledge between these two categories of written work, i.e. to introduce earlier thought to current audiences.

:A bit more about California geography as it relates to the Ridge Route before I go (I think you might appreciate this since we discussed it at some length a while back): in reading Harrison Scott's excellent book on the Ridge Route, some facts stick out.  Building the Southern Pacific railroad line from Bakersfield to Los Angeles via the Antelope Valley was extremely expensive for that company - so much so they inflated shipping and passenger fares to make up their loss.  Transportation, therefore was expensive in my region.  Cheaper ways were sought.  The automobile/motor truck was/is a cheaper solution.  The road system and the time needed to travel it were terrible.  To solve this need, the Ridge Route was created.  [There is always a reason for everything, eh?  :^)) ]  As a side note, traveling distances here in California are greater than what you would find in Ohio, as is typical in the newer western states.  The Antelope Valley is as large in land mass as the state of Connecticut.  We just have huge amounts of land to surmount when traveling - the second closest city to me is 8 miles away, for example.  Fifty to 80 mile work commutes (one way) are not uncommon here.  Happy Trails (western for Ave!), --[[User:Avnative|avnative]] 13:35, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

== Another Etymologist ==
'''Posted on [[User talk:Dralwik]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Dralwik! <br>I came across your article on the Texas county etymologies a few weeks ago when I created the article on [[John H. Reagan]] and the past fortnight have been working on a companion to yours, [[List of Ohio county name etymologies]].  Any thoughts on it?  I see you were born in [[Ottumwa, Iowa]].  I knew two things about Ottumwa.  One, that Radar O'Reilly from [[M*A*S*H]] was from Ottumwa, and two, [[Richard Nixon]] was stationed there for a time in [[World War II]].  Nixon was in the Navy, so it makes perfect sense for him to be in Iowa, n'est pas?  Now I know a third thing about Ottumwa, Iowa.  Keep up the good work re Texas.  I had only 88 counties to do and you've got 254.  Have you been tackling Iowa's 99 as well?  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:00, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

'''His reply:''' <br>
About me taking on the Texas 254, the greatest number of counties in one state, now I'm taking on number TWO! Georgia's 159, [[List of Georgia county name etymologies]]. Also Iowa's 99 and [[List of Kentucky county name etymologies|Kentucky's]] 120. [[User:Dralwik|Dralwik]] 22:54, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, thanks for the [[Ottumwa, Iowa]] info. I actually was a resident of nearby [[Fairfield, Iowa|Fairfield]], but I was born in the hospital in Ottumwa. Nice [[French language|French]]! :-)
Sincerly, Dralwik.

'''Posted on [[User talk:Dralwik]]:''' <br>
Salve, Dralwik! <br>If you were a slacker, you'd do Delaware or Hawaii.  ;)  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 14:50, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

== California, Here We Come! ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:ClockworkTroll]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Clockwork! <br> Just exchanged messages with [[User:Avnative]], who is making sizable contributions on Southern California topics, and he mentioned his great admiration for a fellow from Stony Brook who is now the president of U.S.C.  Thought you two should know of each other.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:22, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
: Heya, PS. Sorry for the delay in my response. That's very thoughtful of you - thank you! [[User:ClockworkTroll|ClockworkTroll]] 17:17, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted on [[User talk:Avnative]]:''' <br>
Howdy, Avnative! <br> Since you admire the fellow from Stony Brook, I thought I'd let you know we have an alum of that institution here, [[User:ClockworkTroll]], who I've exchanged pleasant messages with, and am likewise informing him of you.  I got out my maps last night and was wondering who is your congressman out there?  Does Bill Thomas's district reach that far south?  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:29, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

:Hey there PS. . .  Ummm, I admire Dr. Sample ''<u>not</u>'' because he is from Stony Brook ''per se'', but because of who he pals around with.  Actually, I'm not sure he graduated from there.  He did work there just before becoming USC's president, though.  

:As far as my congressman, Bill Thomas' district currently does indeed reach rather south and east of where it usually does (being Bakersfield centered).  But Howard P. "Buck" McKeon is my current representative in U. S. Congress.  Have a great rest of the day!  --[[User:Avnative|avnative]] 20:35, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

== Nooks and Crannies Update ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:RedWordSmith]]:''' <br>
Salutations, RedWord! <br>  Thought I'd drop you a line to say hello since [[Wikipedia:Nooks and corners of Wikipedia that should be frequented]] is your baby and I've been updating the [[WP:RFA]] section.  I don't often vote in the adminship elections, but I do like to read the debates and with my updates I've been making that little contribution to the cause.  I've posted some info on myself at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking]] and you can see a list of my articles at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Articles]]; if I can help you with your work, do let me know.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:53, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

:Howdy Pedantically, 
:
:Feel free to jump in and edit the Nooks and corners page as much as you like -- Be Bold! -- it's just "my baby" by the accident that I happened to stumble across it and no one else has seemed interested in updating all of it in the past month or so. I just can't stand letting it be too far out of date, so I check in every so often and take care of it. I'd be [[happy]] as a [[clam]] if you'd help by updating the RfA section. - [[User:RedWordSmith|RedWordSmith]] 16:19, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

== [[William Allen Neilson]] ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:OldakQuill]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Oldak! <br>  I was revising the [[Webster's Dictionary]] article and came across your stub of Mr. Neilson.  Before I added it to the stub, I wanted to ask if you know if this is the same gentleman who presided over Webster's Second?  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:29, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

:I have no idea, sorry. --[[User:OldakQuill|[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak]] [[User_talk:OldakQuill|Quill]]]] 18:09, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

== You Could Look It Up ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Meelar]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Meelar! <br> Today I decided to work on revisions to [[Webster's Dictionary]] and in poking around found a stub at [[Webster's New International Dictionary, Second Edition]] and a longer article at [[Webster's Third New International Dictionary]].  It seems to me it would be best to consolidate the second and third material at Webster's Dictionary, because it is the  familiar name and it would put the history of the work, which has appeared under several names in one spot; then put in redirects under the other names.  One, where should I propose such a merger:  on the individual pages or do we have a merger equivalent of "votes for deletion"?  Two, does my reasoning for merger seem sensible to you?  Thanks for your help.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:41, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

'''''Similar messages were posted at [[User talk:Zigger]], [[User talk:Jerzy]], [[User talk:Joy]], [[Lexicography]], [[Dictionary]], [[Noah Webster]], and the affected pages'''''

: If you find a good way to integrate the information, just go ahead. --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>&#91;shallot&#93;</small></small>]] 19:58, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

:Totally agree with you on merging the three articles on Webster's dictionaries. As someone that knows little of English lexicography and nothing at all of American dictionaries, I would expect to find this information under one article. --[[User:Valmi|Valmi[[User_talk:Valmi| &#10002;]]]] 00:18, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

:Hi. Your merger proposal seems valid--I'd just go ahead, if I were you, creating redirects and so on. Feel free to [[Wikipedia:Be bold|be bold]]! Hope this helps, [[User:Meelar|[[User:Meelar|Meelar]] [[User talk:Meelar|(talk)]]]] 00:19, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

'''Reply of [[User:Jerzy]]:''' <br>

Sorry to respond so slowly, and haven't had a chance to look yet.  Potentially, i have two concerns:
** "Webster's Dictionary" should talk abt N.Webster & his work & all its legal & de facto derivatives; something like "Merriam Webster" should talk abt the much more linear history you are consolidating.
** My opinion will almost certainly be that the merge should involve a history merge, which i'd be glad to effect.  But i note that idealy one is best done as early in the history as possible: i.e., let's talk abt further edits to any of the articles that you propose merging, rather than go ahead with edits (and reversions if there are some false steps - IMO putting into one article material for both of the two articles i envision would be such a false step).
:Shall we keep further discussion together here on one page?
:--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]][[User talk:Jerzy|(t)]] 21:47, 2004 Nov 3 (UTC)

'''My reply:''' <br>
Salve, Jerzy! <br>After hearing from some other Wikipedians, I have already:
#deleted the stub at Webster's 2d and put in a redirect
#deleted the material at Webster's 3d and put in a redirect, integrating what was there into Webster's Dictionary and deleting duplicate material
#changed the links in numerous articles that went to the aforementioned to [[Webster's Dictionary]].
#greatly expanded the Webster's Dictionary article to discuss the succession of works published by the Merriam Company.  There is an article at [[Merriam-Webster]] which I either have not touched or edited minimally which talks of corporate history; that is not in the Webster's article
#created articles on various of the editors such as [[Philip Babcock Gove]], [[Chauncey Allen Goodrich]]
#created or revised articles on various other dictionaries, e.g. [[Century Dictionary]], [[Random House Dictionary of the English Language]], the [[Webster's New World Dictionary]].
<br>I'm sure the info on the editions predating Webster's 3d could be fleshed out, but I'd like to think I have a good introduction with my revisions.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 21:40, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

:''Another late reply'': The [[Webster's Dictionary]] article is currently small enough to contain the ''Third'' section, but I expect that eventually there will be separate substantial articles with [[Webster's Dictionary]] having summaries and relationships.  Retaining the redirects from other articles would have allowed this to be easier, but a search should find them again.  --[[User:Zigger|Zigger]] 22:53, 2004 Nov 5 (UTC)

== Political Quizlet ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Garrett Albright]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Garrett! <br>
A couple weeks ago there was a question at [[WP:RD]] about whether there was a site where someone could answer questions and have the computer tell them which candidate was closest to their positions.  A friend pointed me to [http://www.presidentmatch.com this site].  Since it only talks about Bush and Kerry some people are out of luck--like me.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 19:22, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

== What Do You Expect From People Who Use Ankle As a Verb? ==
'''Posted at [[WP:RD]]:''' <br>
This is the lead to Derek Ellery's review in the [[October 11]], [[2004]], edition of ''Variety'', of the forthcoming film'' Bride and Prejudice'', directed by [[Gurinda Chadha]]:  "[[Jane Austen|Austen]] nuts may rend their frocks, and [[Bollywood]] buffs may split their '''''cholis''''', but there's an immensely likable, almost goofily playful charm to'' Bride and Prejudice'' that finally wins the day."  What is or are ''cholis''?

'''Reply posted at [[WP:RD]]:''' <br>
A choli is a garment worn by women to cover the chest area or upper part fo the body. See http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&safe=on&q=choli [[User:Mintguy|Mintguy]] [[User talk: Mintguy|(T)]]

'''Posted at [[User talk:Mintguy]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Mintguy! <br>Thanks for the answer at [[WP:RD]] re Variety's use of the word "choli".  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 14:07, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

== (No Relation) ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Pedant]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Pedant! <br>I've seen you around and just wanted to say hello since our handles, if not our interests, are similar.  If I can help--see my user page and [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Articles]] for what I'm working on--do let me know.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:56, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
:*Greetings, again.  Was surprised to see [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking]] come up on my watch list from your vote since my candidacy was withdrawn six weeks ago or longer.  But thanks for the kind words all the same.  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:50, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
'''[[User:Pedant]] posted this at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking]]:''' 
#Edit count means nothing to me. In my opinion PedanticallySpeaking has made unquestionably valuable contributions and edits.  I accept his/her explanation of the frequent edits, I've had similar difficulties on ''my own computer''.  I would like to see this editor performing more 'chores' such as watching for vandalism, cross-referencing, etc., however.  I think that this editor would not abuse sysop priveleges, but I prefer adminship to be reserved for people willing to do more of the grunt work as well.  Have seen this user to be active on the discuss page of several pages that have  had active discussion. (no relation)[[User:Pedant|Pedant]] 16:34, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

'''Posted on [[User:Pedant]]:''' <br>
It's about due to come up again, I think.  I only vote for admins if I have met them, or edited with them.  Now that we've met, I thought it appropriate to weigh in on the issue.  I'm not particularly kind, but I strive to be accurate and polite nonetheless.[[User:Pedant|Pedant]] 17:08, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)


== (No Relation, Again) ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Pedant17]]:''' <br>
Salutations, Pedant17! <br>  I've seen you around and just wanted to drop a line to say hello because of our similar handles--I did the same with [[User:Pedant]] earlier, thus the "again" in the header.  If I can be of help with your articles--see my user page and [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Articles]] for what I'm working on--do let me know.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:04, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

* Salve! We'll give pedantry a fillip in its reputation yet...
[[User:Pedant17|Pedant17]] 23:45, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

== Re Dee ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:PRiis]] after he posted [[John Dee]] on [[WP:PR]]:''' <br>
Salve, PRiis!  <br>  Looked through your [[John Dee]] article.  By no means am I an expert, but I did read the most recent of the biographies you cite and it looks good.  Thorough, wikified article complete with bibliography--the last being something we need a lot more of.  Good work.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:19, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted on [[User talk:PRiis]]:''' <br>
Thank you, you're very kind. I was lucky to have hit on a fascinating topic.[[User:PRiis|PR<small>IIS</small>]] 21:42, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

==User page protection==
I am sending this message to a group of seasoned users whose opinions I respect.  My aim is not to draw you into a dispute, but to canvass opinion on a contentious area of policy.  If you have a few minutes to spare, please see the debate currently under way at [[Wikipedia talk:Protection policy]], with particular reference to user page protection.  For some reason, I seem to have fallen foul of a group of sysops who have made it their business to stamp out the practice of protecting one’s own user page.  A sensible (in my opinion) proposal has been made to amend the policy, and I would be grateful if you would add your view, assuming you have one.  Cheers. [[User:Deb|Deb]] 13:30, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted at [[Wikipedia talk:Protection policy]]:''' <br>
Absolutely a user should be able to protect his own page!  I can see of no reason why anyone has any business editing another's user page--that's what we have talk pages for--aside from this "everything should be open" view.   While I have not been the victim of vandalism as [[User:Deb|Deb]] has, I commiserate with her.  We already have precedents for pages being restricted--for example, the main page is quite rightly restricted.  Certainly we should strive for maximum openness on article pages, but a user's space ought to be sacrosanct.  What's to stop someone from coming in and doing all sorts of mischief on a user page?  Now if we did restrict editing to user pages we would need a safeguard, something like the page we have to complain about inappropriate user names, so people didn't fill their page with obscenity or libels.   One other area that we should consider restricting would be the archives, e.g. voting records of [[WP:RFA]] candidacies, where we are preserving things for the historical record.  We should set up a formal poll for this idea ASAP.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:58, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted by [[User:Michael Snow]]:''' <br>
:An observation, since you're not an admin yet. If your user page were protected due to vandalism, not only would other people not be able to edit it, '''you''' would not be able to edit it. I can understand the perspective that user pages should not be edited by others, but I hope you see why it is important that this must apply to all users, not just admins. Under the current system of page protection, that is not possible. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 19:26, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted at [[User talk:Michael Snow]]:''' <br>
Salve, Michael Snow! <br>Read your message re my comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Page protection]].  First, I will state I have not gone over the manual on the proper criteria for restricting pages, I only have looked at the arguments on the aforementioned page.  That said, I understand the difficulty you cite of restricting pages when the user is not himself an admin, which is why I support the suggestion by  to alter the program so nobody but the creator can edit a user page.  I think that a worthy change that should be investigated.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 20:07, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)  ''(A similar message was posted at [[Wikipedia talk:Protection policy]].)''

'''Posted by [[User:Deb]]:''' <br>
Thanks, Ped.  Happy electioneering! [[User:Deb|Deb]] 19:52, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== [[Ohio]]: A Report From the Front ==

To all to whom these Presents Shall Come, Greetings!  <br>Since everyone from the [[BBC]] to [[NHK]] is in [[Ohio]], I thought my fellow Wikipedians might appreciate some news from the [[Buckeye State]], which is still too close to call from the latest poll numbers--see here: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/oh_polls.html].  Matt Drudge says (around 3:30 PM EST) early exit polls say Kerry has a slight lead in both Ohio and [[Florida]]. <br>Now for some history.  You've probably heard the endless stories about how no Republican president has been elected without [[Ohio]].  This is true.  And we have a pretty good track record.  In the last century, we've gone with the national winner every time except for [[1944]], when we voted for [[Thomas E. Dewey|Dewey]]--but popular Ohio governor [[John Bricker]] was on the ticket with him--and in [[1960]] when we voted for [[Richard Nixon|Nixon]].  (When [[John F. Kennedy|Kennedy]] and Nixon met after the election, the first thing Kennedy said to his opponent was "How the hell did you win Ohio?"  A lot of people say it was advertisements with [[Ohio State University|Ohio State]]'s [[Woody Hayes]]'s endorsement of Nixon.) <br>The lines are incredible at the polls.  I was there when they opened at 6:30 AM and there was a line--there's never been a line before!  I was number 15 in my precinct and by the time I left, there were probably another dozen.  Now since precincts here in [[Warren County, Ohio|Warren County]] have about 600 voters apiece, thats five percent before seven a.m.  Others I've talked to report incredible lines.  One lady told me of standing in line for forty minutes and she was voter 197--at 9 A.M.!  One-third have voted by nine!  Another precinct was up to 260 by noon.  Another lady said that she waited an hour and a half.  Around noon, I passed by a church that was a polling place and there was at least fifty people outside in line--plus however many were inside. <br>Now, Ohio law says if you are in line at 7:30 P.M. when the polls are to close, you must be allowed to vote.  I saw one elections supervisor in [[Florida]], which has a similar rule, say he expected voting to be going on at 9 and 10 o'clock--Florida's polls close at 7 P.M. However, don't be surprised if someone sues to extend the polling hours here--that was successfully done by Democrats in [[St. Louis, Missouri]] in [[2000]] and the Republicans screamed bloody murder. <br>No doubt you've heard about the lawsuits already flying here in Ohio over "challengers".  Ohio Revised Code (ORC) section 3505.20 authorizes challenges at the polls.  Any party or group of five or more candidates can appoint challengers (ORC 3505.21).  This statute is at least fifty-years old.  The Baldwin-Banks set of the ORC says it was re-enacted in [[1953]] as part of the codification of state laws and so it was around then.  (I heard someone on television describe it as a "Civil War era" law.)  If the challengers object, the poll workers (called "judges" in the law) have a set of questions they are to ask a voter.  The questions are listed in ORC 3505.20 and are sensible questions about a person's birth, how long have they lived in Ohio, etc.  There were two suits filed against [[Ken Blackwell]], Ohio's [[Ohio Secretary of State|secretary of state]], one in [[Akron, Ohio|Akron]], the other in [[Cincinnati, Ohio|Cincinnati]].  The Akron suit claimed the challengers violated the famous section 1983 of title 43 of the U.S. Code, which protects the people from state officials attempting to deprive them of their rights "under color of law".  The Cincinnati suit claimed the challengers were attempting to deny blacks from voting.  In both cases, injunctions were issued against the challegers and an appeal was taken to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit in Cincinnati.  Sometime early this morning, they filed an order overturning the injunctions out of concern the plaintiffs lacked standing and weren't likely to win on the merits.  (The eight-page opinion is available as a PDF file here:  [http://pacer.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/04a0378p-06.pdf]. <br>As for our machinery, about seventy of our eighty-eight counties use punchcards, including most, if not all, the counties that went for [[George W. Bush]] in [[2000]].  In Warren we use the Votomatic system.  [[Hamilton County, Ohio|Hamilton]] and the other heavily Republican areas of Southwestern Ohio use them except for [[Clermont County, Ohio|Clermont]], which uses the optical scan ballot.  Only a handful of counties, about six, are using the electronic machines this year, but one of them is [[Franklin County, Ohio|Franklin]], where the capital [[Columbus, Ohio|Columbus]] is.  [[Al Gore]] narrowly won the county in [[2000]] but Columbus is historically a Republican town. There is a possibility counties could run out of ballots if there is a heavy turnout of "provisional voters."  ORC 3505.11 requires each precinct to have 101 percent of the registration on hand. Ken Blackwell is predicting a 76 percent turnout statewide, but up in [[Miami County, Ohio|Miami County]], hundreds of voters couldn't vote in [[2000]] because the Board of Elections didn't have enough ballots on hand.  In my precinct, they had 750 ballots on hand.<br>Newspaper endorsements probably don't matter much, but the ''[[Cincinnati Enquirer]]'', a dependable Republican paper went with Bush; the ''[[Dayton Daily News]],'' dependably Democratic went to [[John Kerry|Kerry]], the ''Cleveland Plain Dealer'' (largest in the state with 350,000 circulation) didn't endorse either. <br>There's another lawsuit filed today by the [[Associated Press]] and other media against Blackwell over exit polling--see story [http://www.cincypost.com/2004/11/02/netw110204.html here].  Don't know which court has the case or if any ruling is forthcoming, but here's the facts.  ORC 3501.30 provides for a hundred foot zone around polling places that no campaigning or contact with voters is allowed.  The statute requires flags be placed at the hundred-foot limit to alert people. Nobody but "election officials, witnesses, challengers, police officers, and electors waiting to mark, marking, or casting their ballots" may "loiter, congregate, or engage in any kind of election campaigning" within that area.  That means that press aren't allowed in polling places to shoot pictures or interview voters.  Blackwell issued a directive on [[October 20]] reiterating that and the press has sued.  However, I'd note ''The Columbus Dispatch'' cleverly arranged for its employees to be appointed challengers in every precinct in Franklin and [[Delaware County, Ohio|Delaware]] Counties to witness the voting.  ''Editor and Publisher'' reports that the media are ignoring the ban:  [http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000697509]. <br>As for absentee ballots, they must be received by the Boards of Elections by 7:30 P.M. tonight to be counted.  The only exception is if the voter was out of the country, it will be counted if it was signed and postmarked by today and is received no later than Friday of next week.  The provisional ballots must be held until then as well--the Boards can't even begin counting them until then.  The official canvass can't begin until the eleventh day after the election--i.e. a week from this coming Saturday--but must start by the fifteenth day after the election.  (ORC 3505.32).<br>Now I probably won't be able to make additional posts on election day, but I'd be glad to answer questions about procedures here.  As someone who has stood for office five times, I know a thing or two about our election laws.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 20:32, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted on [[User talk:Acsenray]]:''' <br>
Salve, Acsenray! <br> I've posted a report on the election in our state at [[Talk:2004_U.S._election_in_progress#Ohio:_A_Report_From_the_Front]] and on my talk page.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 20:51, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

== Navbox style for Supreme Court Reporter? ==

I was looking at the [[Alexander J. Dallas]] page, and I edited the navbox a bit to a style that seemed more readable and closer to what seems to be roughly the Wikipedia standard. Could you take a look and let me know which style you prefer?

Thanks! [[User:Steve Casburn|Steve Casburn]] 23:06, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'''Reply posted on [[User talk:Steve Casburn]]:''' <br>
Salve, Steve Casburn! <br>I have no feelings one way or the other re the succeeded/preceeded box on [[Alexander Dallas]].  Originally, I put them on all the Associate Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court, copying the form from somewhere.  And then I did the reporters, probably copying from one of the justices.  (Someone else created the article on Dallas and I believe it had a box already for his service in the Cabinet when I got to it; I expanded the article and tacked on the reporter succession.)  I did not realize there was an official style for them and if you would like to correct my boxes, have at it. <br>I see you spent some time in the Buckeye State.  I'm a native and have been working on many Ohio articles, including [[List of Ohio county name etymologies]].  If I can help you with your articles, I'd be glad to help.  (See [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Articles]] for what I've done so far.)  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 21:21, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

== Question About Deletion ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Michael Snow]]:''' <br>
Salve, Michael Snow! <br>While checking the page of what links to [[Dawson's Creek]]--a page I patrol--I found this: [[Colour Moving and Still]].  It's a nice page and all, well done, but are we going to create a page for every album ever?  I was reading a discussion about creating pages for episodes of television series--where I don't recall, otherwise I'd link it here--and the point was correctly made that our servers would runneth over if we followed such a policy.  (Dawson's Creek alone has 128 episodes, [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]] 144, [[Gunsmoke]] over 600.  I looked through the deletion criteria and didn't see anything truly applicable to this album article.  Rather than list it as a candidate for deletion myself, I thought I'd ask someone with more (I hope) experience in these matters.  Is this a candidate for deletion?  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 19:20, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

:I think the theory about episode pages is that most of them can be contained within an article about the series itself, unless there's something particularly noteworthy about the particular episode itself. The episode is simply a subset of the series, so no need to break it out separately unless the content would overwhelm the page.

:Some people might also argue that individual albums can in many cases be treated as part of articles on the musician(s) who produced them. However, the analogy is not quite perfect, because the album is a slightly different subject from the musician (the better analogy might be whether the actor who stars in a TV show and the show itself warrant separate articles). In any case, I know that there has been considerable effort expended towards creating pages about individual albums in various musical genres, and I'm not aware of any active opposition to this practice. Listing even relatively unfamiliar albums for deletion is unlikely to be supported - as long as people can find it listed on allmusic.com or get a reasonable handful of Google hits, they will generally choose to keep the article. The only situation where deletion is likely is for vanity and self-promotional articles about truly obscure albums, where it appears the artist is trying to piggyback off Wikipedia to gain the notoriety they lack.

:This is not to deny that most of our articles about albums are effectively stubs with no real content beyond a shot of the album cover, a track list, and album credits, all gussied up with fancy tables to make it look more impressive. I would love to see more effort put into writing actual prose about these albums, their critical reception and popular success or lack thereof, their stylistic qualities and influences, in a way that would look like a real encyclopedia article about the album. But deletion is not really an answer to that problem. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 19:50, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::*Thanks for your reply.  The aforementioned album is in a category of albums of the artist.  I did list that under "Categories for Deletion" as that seemed superfluous for someone with three albums.  (I noticed a similar discussion is also underway for a category for a performer, [[Ashlee Simpson]], with one album.)  Thanks for your help.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 19:54, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

== Vandal at Work ==

'''Posted at [[User talk:Zanimum]]:''' <br>
Salve, Zanimum! <br>  There's a vandal at work on [[Richard Nixon]], to wit, [[User:207.74.115.22]].   You previously warned him about being blocked if he continued with his course, but he's back, putting vulgarities into the Nixon article.  Could you do something with him?  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:16, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)
: Thanks for letting me know. He's serving 500 days. -- [[user:zanimum]]

== Adminship Candidates ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Cecropia]] after he suggested we refrain from nominating others at [[WP:RFA]] because there are over a dozen candidacies today:''' <br>
Salve, Cecropia! <br>I'd second your notion to refrain from new RFA nominations for a few days.  One little projects I've adopted is to keep the list of candidates at [[WP:NAC]] up to date and every time I checked my watchlist today it seemed we had a new candidate.  I think your idea fits in with the progressive idea of the "short ballot".  A  few days won't hurt anyone.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 19:57, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted at [[User talk:Func]] after he commented at the [[WP:RFA]] talk page:''' <br>
Salve, Func! <br>I'm in agreement about there being too many candidates and I sent a messa to [[User:Cecropia]] seconding his moratorium on new RFA nominations for a few days.  One little project I've adopted is to keep the list of candidates at [[WP:NAC]] up to date and every time I checked my watchlist today it seemed we had a new candidate to add.  This moratorium is in keeping with the progressive idea of the "short ballot".  A  few days won't hurt anyone.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 20:03, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

:I posted a poll at [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship]]. Maybe you'd like to express your opinion there. Cheers! -- [[User:Cecropia|Cecropia]] | [[User talk:Cecropia|''explains it all'' ®]] 21:08, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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