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Talk:List of miscellaneous commercial failures
is this really [[NPOV]]?
:More to the point, is it ''at all'' quantifiable?  How do you compare how much of a flop something is?  Also, why make it so colloquial?  How about [[list of product failures]]?  (and don't forget [[Nerds cereal]].  ;-)  Cheers, [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]] 00:06 Sep 9, 2002 (UTC)

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I structured this so its more like an article than a list.  I also had some disagreements about the Titanic and Beos, for reasons I will explain.

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NeXT is not a flop - less than BeOS. It was a real technical success NeXT wasn't realy profitable but it din't went Bankrupt it's was buyed by Apple and is the basis for Mac OS X.
:NeXT was a flop as a hardware line. 

Yes but less than Be hardware. Jobs was Gasse model and Gasse made the same mistakes it may well some chances to become the CEO of Apple in 5 to 10 years :-).
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The Lisa is not a flop, even a minor one, it's a Mac before the Mac. Take a Lisa update technology, change your advertising and here is a Mac. The Lisa was a huge succes under the name of Macintosh !
:Um, the Lisa and Macintosh teams were different. The Lisa was a flop.

:Yep, the Lisa and the Mac had nothing in common.  It was a like a proof-of-concept; yes, we could build a computer with a graphical interface like the Xerox star.  But it was large, slow, expensive, and a marketing failure.  The Mac was redesigned from the ground up: new hardware, new OS, new software, new target market.  --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]]

update technology = new hardware, new software
change advertising = new market target
nothing more to say.
Mac = Lisa + lesson from experience and more work
Remember we should talk about <b>major</b> flops.