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Hey guys,

I created this page as a subcategory to whistle register singers to showcase the rare singers who sing this high.  Remember, most classical purists deem the seventh octave unmusical, so this list should consist mainly of pop coloraturas.  They should sing high regularly and have songs that showcase a C7 and above, although if they are like Shanice or Debalah with a B6, then that's fine too (by me)....  [[User:Antares33712|Antares33712]] 14:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

:Mado Robin has hit B6 before and was able to sing C7. [[User:67.181.94.96|67.181.94.96]] 17:38, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Folks, you can add people.  They just shouldn't be contentious.  Be prepared with at least one song (preferably a few) to back up your claim.  [[User:Antares33712|Antares33712]] 20:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

:Hm, I'm not too sure about this page. It just seems unnecessary, and created simply to counter the overwelming numbers of 'false' additions in the original whistle register singers category.

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Hi, I'm not a member so I can't add singers, but Yma Sumac is notably a 7th octave wonder...

==Seventh octave wonders==
[[Christina Aguilera]] does not belong in [[:Category: Seventh octave wonders]]. The intro on the category reads:
:"This category is for singers who are '''notable''' in their gifts in the whistle register. Singers added to this subcategory should be well-known for their abilities and have multiple recordings to demonstrate this."

Aguiler does not fit this criterion. She is not well known for siging in the 7th octave. The anonymous editor who keeps replacing her keeps asserting that she does it in the Christmas song, but a) that is just ''one'' song, (not multiple) and fails at the criteria, b) no source are cited for the alleged 7th octave note in the song. You can't listen and assume that it's in the 7th octave. See Wikipedia's official policy,  [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. c) Christina Aguiler is not well-known for singing in the 7th octave. In fact, no authoritative source have ever claimed this (as they have done for [[Mariah Carey]] et at). I'm of the strong belief that she cannot even sing whistle register; she merely squeals on the correct note. [[User:Journalist|<font color="navy">Oran</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">'' '''e''' ''</font>]] [[User talk:Journalist|<font color="blue">(t)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Journalist|<font color="deepskyblue">(c)</font>]] [[Special:Emailuser/Journalist|<font color="mediumblue">(e)</font>]] 00:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

What about Celine Dion?

Yes, I agree. Christina Aguilera is <i>not</i> especially notable for singing in the seventh octave. But instead of maybe removing Christina, the introduction could be changed instead. And if the title is to be 'Seventh Octave Wonders', then <i>only</i> those who sing in that octave should be in that category; not merely B6s.

:: I have altered the intro to the page to avoid confusion, as it does not agree with wikipedia standards as it was. Christina is very well known for hitting a C#7 in The Christmas Song on her christmas album, therefore she has been relisted. Also she hits: F6 in This Year, F#6 in Soar, F#6 in Carwash, G#6 in What A Girl Wants, so she uses he whistle/superhead many times. She also uses it in some track on her spanish album that I cant remember the names of. I have also added Nina Girado as she can sing up to F7, and also Lin Bo (G#7 in Mr. DJ) and Angela Via (C7 in Picture Perfect). I've taken Lisa Fischer out as she has never recorded a 7th octave note. Same with Debelah Morgan (highest she has ever gone is Bb6)

:::You are guilty of [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]],(which is a violation of Wikipeida's policy) as those notes have never been published. Please cite an authoritative source. You yourself cannot judge what note is what, and as such, they also conflict with Wikipedia's [[WP:Verifiability|Verifiability]] policy. Frankly, I see no point for this category and I will be [[WP:RFD|requesting its deletion]] soon. [[User:Journalist|<font color="navy">Oran</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">'' '''e''' ''</font>]] [[User talk:Journalist|<font color="blue">(t)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Journalist|<font color="deepskyblue">(c)</font>]] [[Special:Emailuser/Journalist|<font color="mediumblue">(e)</font>]] 17:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

isn't is almost im possible to sing in a seventh octave mariah has only a 5 octave voice not 7 whats really good with this article- MRGQ

::The 7th octave isnt a meassure of someones vocal range is part of someones range. In responce to Oran, no some of the notes have not been published but Lisa Fischer has been published for her G6, Christina for her C#7 and her F#6 in Carwash (people calling it a scream in many reviews of the song), Lin Bo is very well known in Japan for her high notes, and Angela is extremely well known for that C7 and I don't know if that was published or not but I'm sure if someone was sad enough to look for an article then they would find one. The problem is with wikipedia that most of the articles on here contain original research. If every article was cleaned of original research there wouldnt be much of a site left.

::::You can save your breath; Christina sang Mariah Carey's Vison of Love song and hit every riff and lick (including the high, high note) which is noted in her article.  She was noted for covering many other Mariah songs early on in her career, in fact she was marketed as a blend of Whitney and Mariah on the first album.  Until an expert dictates she is worthy there is nothing you can do.  Yes the C7 in Christmas Song is almost common knowledge among fans (like the F6 in Queen of The Night or Lovin' You), but a voice professor helping us won't matter.  Journalist has dictated the note is original research and thus, we are guilty even by talking about on this page.  As an administrator, his opinion is the only one that matters.  [[User:Antares33712|Antares33712]] 20:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Does anybody have any information about 'Lin Bo'? I've heard a clip of her music, but nothing about her. It is odd for a Japanese artist to have an 'L' in their name.
:::Anyway, I don't think there's any real point being especially pedantic about original research. I mean, for the most part, it's widely accepted that <i>those</i> are the notes that were sung. And for some people, it's as worthless as needing original research to say that the grass is green. They hear it for themselves and can tell.
:::Either way, I am somewhat in doubt about the need for this category article. [[User:Highconclave|Highconclave]] 07:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

this is stright up bull do research the 7th octave is al ost humaly imposseible and this will always be a wrod of mouth article [[User:MRGQ|MRGQ]] 06:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
: It's not humanly impossible. My brother can sing in the seventh octave. Tonnes of people can sing there. Mariah <i>can</i> sing in the seventh octave, also. Maybe if you're going by European notation, in which the seventh octave is actually the eleventh octave in US terms, then...yes, maybe. But it's entirely possible to sing in the seventh. [[User:Highconclave|Highconclave]] 12:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


I haven't heard of most of these singers but i know Mariah Carey does not have a 7 octave vocal range. her range is maybe 4 and a half to 5 octaves.
:Yes, that is true. However, this category isn't about a singer's vocal range, it's about whether or not they can sing in the seventh octave. [[User:Highconclave|Highconclave]] 07:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
::Plus Mariah has a 5 Octave 2 Note vocal range ;)

:Mariah can sing in 6 different octaves but her recorded range is 4 octaves and 5 notes. B2-G#7 she has never hit F2. That note in You And I is C3 and she tries to go lower and only hits B2. She also hits like B2 or Bb2 in live performances of Emotions where the key is lowered. 
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Of what I know these are the people who should stay on the list and their highest notes (That I've heard):

Anything in parentheses, I havent heard.

Lin Bo - G#7, 
Tamar Braxton - D7, 
Georgia Brown - F8(G10), 
Mariah Carey - G#7, 
Rachelle Ferrell - D7(Eb7), 
Nina Girado - Eb7/E7 whichever it is, 
Adam Lopez - Eb8, 
Minnie Riperton - Bb7, 
Mado Robin - C7(D7), 
Yma Sumac - C7/C#7, 
Angela Via - C7, 
Sebastian Vilas - G#7, 
Betty Wright - E7/Eb7, 

These are the people who need to go:

Deniece Williams - G6, 
Chante Moore - G#6, 
Debelah Morgan - Bb6, 
Jane B. Foster - Ok i dont know who she is ive never heard of her at all..., 
Julie Andrews - Her highest notes are about C6. The "whistle" note from Victor/Victoria is  actially A5, 
Shanice - Bb6, 

These are the people who need to be added:

Jill Scott - C7, 
Beverly Sills - C7, 

Also Mariah's range of what I know is 4 octaves and 5 notes from B2(You And I)-G#7(Emotions live). One emotions the highest is G7 adn the other is G#7 i forgot which is which.

[[User:Myke209|Myke]] 01:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

* Julie Andrews did have the ability to sing at least an F6. I'm not sure about the reported C7, but on stage, she has hit F6 with reasonable ease. [[User:Highconclave|Highconclave]] 18:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

:Do you have a recording of this?[[User:Myke209|Myke]] 06:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::I don't, unfortunately. I'll see if I can find one on the net somewhere. [[User:Highconclave|Highconclave]] 03:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Hey I don't know if this will help.  It's a tech sound info page.  It lists Julie's voice up to C7. )Go down to "human voice") Linky:  http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/tech/sound.html
[[User:Darynthe|Darynthe]] May 1, 2006


:Still she is not known for hitting at least C7 which is required for this category. [[User:67.181.94.201|67.181.94.201]] 18:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

:I've heard Chanté Moore go up to a C7 in "Wey U", and I've read somewhere she can go up to an E7.

:Its B6 so we should let her stay. Yeah most whistle register singers' highest notes are about E7-A7. Mine is F#7 but I was hitting G7 today. [[User:Myke209|Myke]] 02:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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I added Rachelle Ann Go because i found a clip on You Tube of her hitting C7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtObKeC5HcI&search=whistle%20register

I'll add those people you mentioned as well.

:Yeah but I doubt Deniece and Debelah have ever hit the 7th octave.[[User:Myke209|Myke]] 23:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)⏎
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:: Debelah definitly hasnt but i dont know about deniece. Idots tend to keep putting people back in without viewing the discussion page.