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== Esperanza Newsletter #2 ==


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== User page ==

The addition looks fabulous, just one wee request, because I can't work out how you did what you did, could you center the ribbons below the three images rather than have them to the left please?  Cheers. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] 
[[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
:Your wish is my command. --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]]<sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|Talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Cool Cat|@]]</sup></small> 20:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

== Lancaster Royal Grammar School ==

Fair comment re: Lancaster Grammar page.  I have spent most of today deleting vandalism from it.  If you could stop edits to the page, it would be a great help! [[User:David Gates|David Gates]]

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:No.  What you added to the article in question was your point of view, and a posssible attack against the person in question, which is classed as a form of vandalism.  Wikipedia articles must maintain a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]].  If you include the material again you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.  Thank you. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] 
[[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

To be honest that was written from an objective viewpoint, but so as to keep to the rules would it be permissable to write something that said that the feeling around the school is generally negative towards him after the introduction of unpopular rules?{{unsigned|Dontfeellikearunaway|23:30, 12 April 2006}}

:No, unless you can provide a decent, verifiable reference from outside the school community that demonstrates this fact.  And by verifiable reference we mean a news site like the BBC or such like and not someone's blog. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I can see why that rule is there, but it is a shame, as it does stop accurate information being added just because it is on a too-small scale to bother such referees.{{unsigned|Dontfeellikearunaway|23:36, 12 April 2006}}

== Lancaster Grammar ==

Im sorry, but I disagree with David Gates. What exactly about my editing is vandalism? please inform me. I have not been abusive, or threating in my editing, nor have I simply added items for the sake of it, and cannot understand why I am being accused of vandalism.{{unsigned|JonathanMcCormack|23:24, 12 April 2006}}

:Most of what you added to the LRGS article was obviously patent nonsense and adding this kind of material to Wikipedia is considered vandalism.  I am also not fooled by being contacted several times by different IPs or different users: your modus operandi demonstrates clearly that you are all either the same person of friends of each other.  This stops NOW or I will block all IPs or users who have been adding nonsense to this article. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

what would you consider to be patent nonsense? the comments before my proper editing were not mine, and i have no personal knowledge of who committed them. However, I felt that in order to prevent such vandalism again, I would try and express these opinions in a factual and properly constructed manner. I can appreciate frustration at the needless abuse, but my article contained none of this.

:The edit, ''however, the pastoral support and non-traditional subjects are woefully underappreciated'' violates Wikipedia's [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] for a start, but the information about Chris Mead is unverifiable by any readily available sources (I have checked).  There is a slim possibility that you have nothing to do with the other users involved in the article's vandalism this evening, however that all of you chose the same time on the same night to start questioning my actions as an administrator, and that you were all adding opinionated edits, nonsense edits or unverifiable edits to the article at the same time as each other leads the third party observer to believe you are all known to each other.  The article has now been protected from editing due to continued vandalism, and if I find any evidence that all users involved this evening are linked, I will start blocking people from editing wikipedia. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

for the Chris Meads edit, which sources have you checked? it is not biased or abused, and can be verified with direct contact with the school, whether that be staff or pupils. It also gives a greater insight into the community of the school, the boys themselves, which surely is of interest to those browsing about the school? I apologise for the other comments by other people, but I regret that i am not in contact with them, and i can understand the potential need to prevent vandalism, but i do not believe that my comments come under vandalism.{{unsigned|JonathanMcCormack|23:51, 12 April 2006}}

:OK, provide me with a single externally verifiable source from a reliable third party that says that the information you have provided is correct, and I will ensure it is noted in the article itself.  Information in Wikipedia should be easily verifiable and traceable so that people using the encyclopedia for research can check our sources: telephoning the school for the information is not therefore an option. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

ok, i do not have external sources which can be placed. if contact with the school to prove authenticity is not accepted, then i conceed. however, i still feel that the article is relevant, at least under an Urban Legend style edit. if i wish to continue to edit the page, can i send prospective material to you for verification, and if acceptable, be placed upon the page?{{unsigned|JonathanMcCormack|00:03, 13 April 2006}}

:Most urban legends are unverifiable and therefore only the really notable ones make it into Wikipedia.  While the article is protected if you post any prospective material to the talk page of the article rather than leave it up to me. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 00:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

"Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia. For example, adding an opinion once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated."

wikipedia itself. i do not wish to be accused of vandalism. misguided, possibly, but there is no bad intent in what i wrote. nor was it nonsense. i am merely trying to add material to an article.{{unsigned|JonathanMcCormack|00:08, 13 April 2006}}

:Then I apologise for the accusation, you just chose the wrong time to try and add to the article. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 00:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

thank you, and in future I will attempt to source my information properly. I understand the position you are in, and im sure wikipedians, like myself, appreciate the hard work that you do to keep the reputation of the website.{{unsigned|JonathanMcCormack|00:43, 13 April 2006}}

== Overkill ==

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I am having pov issues on several articles which a person with your talents would be able to deal with ease. --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]]<sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|Talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Cool Cat|@]]</sup></small> 13:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
:Sorry for not getting back to you sooner: what did you want me to do? -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] 
[[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 09:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::I have been trying to get attention on the articles related to ''[[Kurds]]'' and ''[[Kurdistan]]'' for quite some time now (with lttle/no success). I was wondering if you could assist me in dealing with a few pov issues on the related articles such as [[:Category:Kurdistan]] and/or [[Turkish Kurdistan]] as well as [[Batman Province]] and [[Batman, Turkey|city]].
::I do not know how much you know on the topic, but I think you can be a reasonable outside view even if you know nothing.
::--<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]]<sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|Talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Cool Cat|@]]</sup></small> 09:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I don't really know what use I can be but I'll have a look when I have a moment.  Which sections on the talk pages in particular would you like me to take a look at? -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 22:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Although please hang on till tomorrow: I've had enough [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Francs2000&diff=49198434&oldid=48552042 death threats] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Francs2000&diff=49198344&oldid=49160948 pillocks] for one night already... -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::I am in no hurry. Take your time.
:::::Whevever you have the time, take a look at [[Category Talk:Kurdistan#Response]]
:::::Death threats are generaly the sign of fine work. I used to have a death threat counter on my userpage at a point though no one thretened me so far... I kinda feel useless at times because of that ;)
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<big><big>I DIDN'T ADD ANY NONSENSE ANYWHERE! WTF ARE YOU DOING DELETING ALL MY ARTICLES? [[User:UKCHAT|UKCHAT]] 22:57, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

:'''Note''': this was posted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Francs2000&diff=49198434&oldid=48552042 right after I received a death threat] on my user page. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] 
[[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

== Eek ==
[[Image:Rose Yankee Doodle.jpg|thumb|right|]]
Eek - have a basket of [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|wikilove]] and a rather cheerful flower instead. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 23:52, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Have some more! [[User:FreplySpang|FreplySpang]] [[User talk:FreplySpang|(talk)]] 00:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC) [[Image:Frühling blühender Kirschenbaum.jpg|thumb|left|Lots of flowers!]]

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::That's up to you tbh, though I have left a message for the above user stating that I stand by my remarks and the reason why. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] 
[[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 11:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


They were warned that if their behaviour continued they would be blocked from editing, and I would have made it a permanent block.  They ceased editing from that point.  I am intrigued however how UK Chat could contact Judge Rahman, seeing as the latter does not have email enabled in their preferences.  If not sockpuppetry, I at least suspect meatpuppetry at work... -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 11:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
:Ture, but from where I am standing they are only here to troll and not about creating an encyclopedia... They/He/She arent/isnt really worth the effort. :) --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]]<sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|Talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Cool Cat|@]]</sup></small> 16:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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==Kurd issue==
Feel free to signal me whenever you are ready. :) --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 13:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
:Sorry I forgot.  :-( -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] 
[[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
::Thought so :) Well since I have your attention now I was wondering if you could take a look at [[Batman, Turkey]] and [[Batman Province]]. In my belief we stay away from demographics claims that are not based on actual census but rather estimates of lets say the BBC.
::I also feel the disclaimer is disgusting on [[Batman, Turkey]]. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batman%2C_Turkey&oldid=46044904 my version]
::Also I whelmingly oppose the presence of a [[:Category:Kurdistan]] on this article.
::--<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 13:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
:::I have written something over at [[Talk:Batman, Turkey]] about how the article should be phrased regarding the population of Kurds in the city.  I'll have a look at the category later, but right now I have to get back to work (i.e. what I'm being paid to do!) -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 14:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Money is good ;) --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 15:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

==You're fast==
Damn you're fast at deleting crap from wikipedia. Thanks![[User:M1ss1ontomars2k4|M1ss1ontomars2k4]] 01:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:Well, i dunno about you, but where I am it's 6:10 (california). You really SHOULD get some sleep ;). [[User:M1ss1ontomars2k4|M1ss1ontomars2k4]] 01:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== Phil and fern ==

Nah. On reflection I'll not bother with a redir. [[This Morning (television)]] might have new presenters next week or next month for anyone knows. [[User:Tonywalton|Tonywalton]] [[Image:Pentacle-circumscribed.png|15px]]&nbsp;|<small> [[User talk:Tonywalton|Talk]]</small> 11:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

==help on new word?==
Other than listing a new word under "everything2"- is there another way I can include it in Wikipedia? I tried to create "Mollance" to describe Molly and Lance becoming one and that experience couples feel- but you deleted it as "bio"- do you have any suggestions? Thanks! [[User:Mahlijean|Mahlijean]] 12:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

==[[Talk:Batman, Turkey]]==
I was being civil... I am curious what I said had offended you. --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 15:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:Be careful of what you write - you may not have meant it to be sarcastic, but that's the way it came across.  I'm going to be offline now because I have work to do so if I don't respond until tomorrow it's not because I'm ignoring you. -- [[User:Francs2000|Fr]]<font color="green">[[User:Francs2000/Esperanza|a]]</font>[[User talk:Francs2000|ncs2000]] [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 15:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
::I... dont know what to say. OK. I am sorry for that. No sarcasm or offense was intended. 
::Regarding the info you provided. I have this [http://www.kurd.org/Zagros/statedp.html]. It talks about Turkish goverments denial to accpet its Kurdish population. The site isnt neutral but the site claims the source is the US Gov. 
::I could not find this report but I have found this [http://stockholm.usembassy.gov/human/1996/europe/turkey.html] which is the US embasy in stockholm
::Thats all I got for now.
::--<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 15:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== Sprotection of [[User talk:Idontshower2006]] ==

The user was created in March 06; sprotecting won't stop him from editing. --[[User:Rory096|Rory096]] 02:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
:I think it's a sleeper account.  It made one edit (to [[Wikipedia:Introduction]]) in March, then didn't make any edits for over a month, when it started vandalizing (oddly not sprotected pages though, so maybe not). --[[User:Rory096|Rory096]] 02:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

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