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== Stuff I want to learn about ==
Fonts for use on Wikipedia
How to browse existing pictures
Vandalism
Proper editing etiquette


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== Articles I need to work on ==
* Multiverse
* [[Robin (comics)]] - voice actors for cartoons
* [[Major Disaster]]
* [[Hard light]]
* Create policy page for Wikiproject comics
* [[Elsa Bloodstone]]
* [[Joker's Daughter]]
* [[Captain Marvel (DC Comics)]] - mention that some writers think billy and captain marvel switch places.

== [[Supergirl]] ==

Since you've had major input into the character, and I respect what I see of your contributions in general, I wanted to bring up an idea for the Supergirl page. It seems weird that a (relatively) minor character like Cir-El gets a separate page but the pre-Crisis Kara Zor-El, arguably the most famous, does not. It would also seem to conform to other pages such as [[Green Lantern]], where each of the major characters to share the name get a summary and a link to their own page. How do you feel about spinning off the pre-Crisis Kara onto her own page? That would allow the oportunity to spotlight her a bit more. (In case you can't tell, I'm a fan of hers from way back.) [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 23:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

: I was thinking the same thing. Let's do that. We should look at how the Green Lantern and Flash pages do it, because they not only have the main article, they break off into Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner entries as well, because those characters have a ton of info just on them. I think we should do the same thing here, with Pre-Crisis Kara and the Matrix/Linda Danvers Supergirl having their own entries. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 23:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::Check out this page for a blank template. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/exemplars]]

::I'd even say that [[Matrix (comics)|Matrix]] and [[Linda Danvers]] should retain their own pages. I've looked at them and Matrix needs a lot of work, but Matrix had quite a career before she merged with the human Linda. Other than that, I guess the only other thing is to figure out what pre-Crisis Kara's page should be named. I still think of her as the 'real' Kara Zor-El, but I can see where that might cause conflict with the current holder of the name. Ideas? [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 23:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::: The reason I think they should have the same page is that their adventures are so inexplicably linked. Linda still has all of Matrix's powers, and they shared the same existence for a long time. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 00:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I'm sure I've read somewhere that Linda's powers were different (no longer a full shapeshifter, for example). I'm gonna have to find that reference again. There's not a lot on the pre-Linda Matrix anywhere yet. How 'bout we try this - work on separating the pre-Crisis Kara from the main Supergirl page first. If I get to the [[Matrix (comics)|Matrix]] page and get it expanded into something distinct from the merged-being-[[Linda Danvers]] version, then it can become it's own link. Otherwise, it can get merged into the Linda page. :)  [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 00:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::Yes, Linda loses some of the strength and the shape-shifting, but she keeps some telekinesis. The thing is, I have always seen them grouped together as one Supergirl, from Matrix through Merged Supergirl to Linda.--[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 03:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


== Legion reboots ==

I already respected your edits here. After your words about the heartbreak of the Legion reboots, I really feel a kinship. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 14:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
: Thanks. Sorry I haven't worked with you on the Supergirl edits, but I have been busy and so have been only doing small edits, pretty much because I have other things I should be doing. I would like to devote some real attention to the Supergirl stuff. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 14:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
::That's okay, I haven't done much myself. It looks like others beat us to it. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 14:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

==War of the Worlds revert==
After I de-linked [[Series Mythology]] from the ''[[War of the Worlds (TV series)|War of the Worlds]]'' article you went and reverted the edits. I have no issue with the addition of the internal links, but I wanted to let you know that when you reverted mine back, this effected other unrelated edits I made at that time. I'm not upset over this either, as it wasn't much I did; I'm simply letting you know to help you avoid doing it again, should a similar edit occur in the future. --[[User:Bacteria|Bacteria]] 00:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
: Sorry, not sure how I missed the other edits. I apologize. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 06:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

==[[Multiverse (DC Comics)]]==

While I understand the desire to not have Earth-616 in the DC entry, it seemed like the concensus was to keep it due to the various crossovers - when I look at the [[talk:Multiverse (DC Comics)]], I don't see the deletion being clearly favoured. [[User:J-beda|j-beda]] 20:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
: I know, and I agree. See the comment I left on the talk page. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 20:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
:: Then why did you remove the Earth-616? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Multiverse_%28DC_Comics%29&diff=54114037&oldid=54054215 seems to be saying you are removing it "as per talk page", but the talk page seem to favour keeping it? [[User:J-beda|j-beda]] 21:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
:::: I had forgotten that I had previously only objected to the Marvel alternate universe, which I originally removed. At some point, an editor removed 616, followed by another restoring it. In making a series of edits, I mistakenly removed 616 again. It was a mistake. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 21:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

::::: A "mistake"? I've heard of those. Never made one myself, mind you.... :-)  [[User:J-beda|j-beda]] 22:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I restored it, by the way, and moved it down with Wildstorm, Amalgam, and Milestone. Sorry about the confusion. I had had to delete the Age of Apocalypse Earth and a few others enough times that it happened more on refelex than cognitive decision. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 22:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

==Re: [[:Image:Jodi jusiak desktop2(export).jpg]]==
After rereading the various policies, frankly, I'm not sure; admins like [User:Carnildo]] have far more experience than I regarding images. After rereading [[WP:CSD]], however, I was not nearly convinced that they should be speedied. :) <tt>[[User:RadioKirk|<span style="color: #161;">Radio</span>]][[Special:Contributions/RadioKirk|<span style="color: #161;">Kirk</span>]]</tt> <tt>[[User talk:RadioKirk|<span style="font-size: 9px; color: #161;">talk to me</span>]]</tt> 17:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

== [[Completist]] ==

Do you see this as being expanded anymore than it is now.  I have to say, I think this is a dic-def, have a look at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] and see what you think. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 13:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
::You may be right. I just got going on comic book entries over the past few hours. Go ahead and delete it if you feel it's best. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 13:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Good god, I wouldn't just delete a page like that!  It takes me at least a day to work up the courage.  I was thinking of trying to find a place to merge it, maybe [[collecting]]? On a side issue, I just saw above that you intend to work on a policy page for Wikiproject comics.  What exactly did you have in mind? [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 13:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
:::: Well, first, I think we need a page that collects the guiding principles of the project. I can write that, certainly. I haven't found such a page. I'll have to go through the talk pages and put it together. Once it's all up in one place, we can see what might need to be added, and I am sure some of it will be put to a vote again. (I was concerned about solicitation information, literary present, templates, and preferred images/image use - oh and spoiler use). But we do need a simple, straightforward policy page that can link to other resources when necessary. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 13:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics]] is supposed to serve as the page you seem to feel is lacking.  We did work up guidance on image use, there's a page on templates there too, and one covering copyright.  I also added the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/useful pages|useful pages]].  See what you think is missing and add it, by all means. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 14:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

==[[Jason Todd]]==
Now that I'm more awake (never have blood drawn, it fucks you up), and I've re-read the comics proj pages as well as the rest of Cheesenw's posts, I feel for ya. I think you did a good job handling it, and while he's not generally been the easiest to get to talk about things, at least he conceeded you were right here. Nicely handled :) -- [[User:Ipstenu|Ipstenu]] 13:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:: About your most recent edit, the reason I used the words I did there is that there is some contention about what exactly happened in that grave, which is what promptred me to edit that section in the first place. See, some people think that Superboy-Prime resurrected Jason Todd, partially regenerating his flesh, but the comic explicitly states that he is altering reality, not resurrecting.  He basically just flipped a 1/0 switch that now says Jason Todd survived the beating from the Joker, and that's why he's again suffering from the wounds as if he has just received them. He doesn't flash back to dying; he flashes back to a page of art that was to be used in the Death in the Family storyline had the votes gone the other way, in which Batman has to carry him because he is so badly beaten. It's a bit of a semantic thing, the difference between returning life to a dead body and replacing a dead Jason with a live one; however, to Jason Todd, he never died, doesn't remember dying, only knows that Batman thought he died, and therefore is angry that Batman didn't avenge him. The anomaly is localized on Jason; while everyone knows he died, this Jason Todd had instead survived. Like I said, it's a fine line, but it's actually a big difference, and that's why that was the most neutral way I could write it, while actually describing what's on the page more accurately. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 14:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:: Oh, and the narrative is also not clear on whether "how things should be" is a universal truth or an opion of Superboy's, as noted in my text. Did you see he just undid your work? --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 15:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:Bah. I've gone with calling Jason's death a retcon (which it is) and then saying 'returned to life' which is vague and neutral enough to allow both possibilities.  IMO, I think Jason died and was brought back to life, but we don't have a concrete answer. While I can agree with your point of why he was f'ed up, I disagree with your conclusion of the 1/0 switch :)  That said, keeping it open to both options until/unless we get a firm 'Body Switch' or not answer is probably a better option. I keep trying to keep in the bit about 'god knows WHO thought Jason wasn't supposed to die?' since I think it's important. I'd peg it on SB-P, but again, we don't know and we shouldn't spec. That's just not encyclopediotic. -- [[User:Ipstenu|Ipstenu]] 16:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

== Category:Fictional heroines based on heroes ==

The debate at [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 23#Category:Fictional heroines based on heroes to Category:Fictional heroines]] can quickly be concluded if you, as creator and sole contributor, agree and indicate there that it can be speedily deleted.  If I understand your comments at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Lots of new categories]] you are thinking of creating a list, which may well suit this information better.  I also understand your creation of the category was as a misreading of the deletion debate at [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 11#Category:Female heroines with names derived from pre-existing male characters to Category:Fictional heroines based on heroes]].  Note that admins close a deletion debate, determine consensus, and then implement that consensus determined.  [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy]] should help clarify the procedure for you. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 19:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I put up a speedy deletion template as soon as this was first mentioned to me, and someone took it down. OK, I will leave a new comment. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 16:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
::::I've closed the debate so it will get sorted once the bot gets to work on it, don't worry. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 18:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

== comics terminology and comic book terminology ==

Um, to me you removed a lot of stuff that's relevant to the wider form than just comic books from the higher level cat.  Thoughts? [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 19:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:: You're right. Sorry about that. I think I just saw that the majority of the items were comic book-specific, and while I tried to take a look at the individual entries, that lent creedance to the idea they had all been placed in error. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 22:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Sweet.  A few of those you saw were my errors, I'm slowly trying to clean out [[:Category:Comics]] of too many needless articles, and I'm mostly mirroring the structure on [[:Category:Music]] and [[:Category:Film]].  It gets messy because the terminology is completely different between the US and Europe. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 09:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

== Superboy move ==

i'm not disputing the move, but when you move you have to update the links.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Superboy_%28Modern_Age%29 there's still a bunch of pages going to the redirect]

== 'sup "boss"? ==

Animated Batman history is quite long, a bit longer than animated Hawkgirl. Regardless of what you say. You can later merge it. But the Batman page will be summarized sooner or later just as the Superman page was, that's why I created the article separatedly. 
You are very welcome to contribute with the Batman (animated) bio article, by the way. Actually I don't think I can complete it soon. 
The article as it is right now is far from perfect. I'm not sure about the words and sentences I choosed, so edits are very welcome. The only thing I know is that it ain't gonna be short. It must not. Please cut the bossy attitude, we can come to agreements but I'm not doing anything just because you say so.--[[User:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow|T-man, the wise]] 04:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

::I'm not sure what bossy attitude you're talking about. Based on precedents, the Batman (animated) article will be condensed and merged into the main Batman article. I was adviosing you not to write too much, because just like with the animated Hawkgirl information, I can see a lot of detail will be deleted.  In the meantime, someone needs to make the Batman (animated) article presentable. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 05:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

== Batman ==

Have you seen what T did to the Batman article? I'd be interested in getting your response to it. [[User:CovenantD|CovenantD]] 05:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
::I'm on my way. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 05:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok I wont revert. But you have to met me in the middle point. I won't accept just plane undoing of my work.
::You made sweeping changes without first discussing them. It's not just me who is against your changes. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 10:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Well right now you have an oversized article trying to fit 3 bios in one. Besides, there were 2 edits after mine backing it up. the reverts were done by DA (it doesn't count, he is just a plane vandal with no ideals that reverts every article I edit, even the ones i create just minutes after) and one by you. You I can respect fine, but you din't get my version enough time to be analized or accepted.  Read better this talk page, the last time you did, you missed DA's contradictory proposal backing me up.  I've also proposed to move the homophobia thing to a sub-article in the past, since is that info is not that important and is too polemic, that's on archive 02, since then, several people have proposed the same but nobody does anything. I don't know where you got the idea that editing is a slow burocratic process but it wasn't on wikipedia since its main editing policy is '''BE BOLD!!!!!!!!'''. If it were up to people like you we would get stucked with crappy articles. Remember be bold!!! I'm using WP policies to back my actions. Where the hell did you get your let's-have-humongous-boring-articles policies, anyway??? You're a periodist 4 x-sake!!!!--[[User:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow|T-man, the wise]] 11:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Dude. 1: Calm down. 2: Call for a vote on your idea, and we can see what people think of this. 3: Being bold is one thing; upon first glance, it looked like vandalism, and that's a very frequently vandalized article. 4: I still have no idea what you are talking about in regard to me and that [[Superman]] article talk page. 5: [[Wikipedia:Don't be a dick|Don't be a dick]]. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 11:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

== OK ==

Nope. If only you could come up with a way of avoid mixing cannonical Batman with overall batman, I'm good. I mean the article can be overall, ok. But I feel the cannonic part should be more concrete
:I understand that. But right now, consensus is against such edits. What I would suggest to you in this instance is to propose exactly what it is you want to do with the page. This means cut out all emotion (this is partially what is not preventing some people from agreeing with you), reasoning out evenly and clearly what it is you want to do, and why. Separate the individual changes you want to make from each other. Designate them "Proposed Change 1", etc. That way, people won't dismiss all your edits outright, but will have to consider your ideas individually. Right now, you are righting thick blocks of text that take some extra work to read through. Just pace yourself and present your arguments separately and clearly. I do think you face a lot of opposition on the majority of your Batman edits, though, and it may be in your best interest to concede those edits that consensus deems unnecessary or disruptive. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 05:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
:I went throu a similar situation with the [[List of Villains]] and the [[Enemies of Batman]] and somehow got it my way. But I'm going with your advice this time, the Batman article is to big and there is a big amount of people involved.
:I'd also love if you could help me desing smarter changes, even if they are not that close to my original ideas. I'm opened to diferent visions. --[[User:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow|T-man, the wise]] 00:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, when it comes to more popular articles, large change is difficult. It's sometimes better to stake out something and lead that project. I just sent a large amount of time copy editing the Batman article, and I know I'm going to have some trouble, just because of how popular it is. I'd be happy to work with you on anything. I know you have good intentions. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 01:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)




== Reply regarding a Comics policy page ==

It's a good idea, that's how the copyright guidance got written up.  Anything you need help with, ley me know, I've indexed the archives to a point, but people stopped bothering after the fifth one, I think.  I know my way around the policies fairly well, so if you don't mind I'd like to try and keep an eye on what you do and try and nail it better in existing policies. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 19:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
: I wouldn't want it any other way. What I am doing is bigger than a normal edit, so I will appreciate having a spotter along the way. Additionally, once they're together on one page, it will be easier to discuss them again and possibly even come to a new consensus on some of them. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] 19:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

== Omega-level mutants ==

do you think the "potential omega-level mutants" in [[Omega-level mutant]] is relevant?  i'm thinking about deleting it, but it's a huge chunk of the article. [[User:161.38.222.14|161.38.222.14]] 20:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

That section's all speculation, and only a few of those characters have been shown to have omega-level powers. I'd maybe leave only Magneto, Professor X, Mad Jim Jaspers, X-Man, Cable, Scarlet Witch, and Jamie Braddock. And actually, Jaspers and Braddock are still questionable. They may be able to warp reality, but Scarlet Witch can selectively warp reality on a universal level; she can pick and choose what changes and how on an individual level while changing all of reality. These two can just make some changes, and often only temporary ones.

Some of the other ones I just don't get: Gambit?

Additionally, I'm not sure why IGN is cited in the "Known" section as a reliable source. They didn't source their article, and it just reads like an opinion to me.


==Fantastic Four==
I did not intentionally erase part of the entry to Fantastic Four.  For some reason that entry (and X-23, Juggernaut & Gen 13) also managed to have text deleted after I check them with the show preview feature and then clicked Save.  I have fixed all but the FF one (that was done by someone else).  I don't know why you changed the image of the FF back (since there was nothing wrong with the entry again).  

Would you please revert that?  [[User:Dstorres|Dstorres]]