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'''Josef von Sternberg''' ([[29 May]] [[1894]] &ndash; [[22 December]] [[1969]]) was an [[Austria]]n-[[United States|American]] [[film]] [[Film director|director]].

He was born in [[Vienna, Austria]] but spent much of his childhood in [[New York City]] where his father, a former soldier in the army of [[Austria-Hungary]], tried to make a new life for himself. Sternberg grew up in poverty and dropped out of [[high school]]. As a youth he got a job cleaning and repairing movie prints and soon found himself apprenticing in the movie industry. He made his directorial debut in 1925 with ''The Salvation Hunters'' and had commercial success later in the decade with a series of early gangster films. 

His new found prosperity made it possible for him to commission an impressive mini- [[mansion]] from the famous architect [[Richard Neutra]].  Even after its demolition [[Von Sternberg house by Neutra|Von Sternberg house]] remained an example of [[modernism]] in [[Architecture]].

In 1930, von Sternberg went to Germany and directed the widely acclaimed film ''Der Blau Engel'' (''The [[Blue Angel]]'') in English and German language versions. Sternberg cast the unknown [[Marlene Dietrich]] as Lola Lola and made her an international star. 

==External links==
*{{imdb name|id=0903049|name=Josef von Sternberg}}

[[Category:1894 births|Sternberg, Josef von]]
[[Category:1969 deaths|Sternberg, Josef von]]

[[de:Josef_von_Sternberg]]What to do with pages like this one. It clearly (in my mind) does not belong in an encyclopedia, but who defines the limits? Any ideas? --[[User:Snoyes|snoyes]] 01:42 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

: Perfectly OK, factually verifiable content. The original version was not NPOV but now it's fine. We have many articles about websites, so why not about newsgroups? Many of those have their own culture. --[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 01:51 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Personally I see Wikipedia as a source of knowledge for everything, sort of like the library in Alexandria but obviously much more flexible and more readily available. Therefore, I see it is okay to have pages describing newsgroups and such like as these are an important part of human culture.
[[User:Snowbird|Snowbird]] 01:58 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Nonetheless, Wikipedia does attempt to maintain a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]].  And the [[list of newsgroups]] entry does state that users who want to add articles about newsgroups should focus on newsgroups that have enough of a history to warrant their own articles. -- [[User:Modemac|Modemac]] 02:03 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Surely, if Wikipedia attempts to maintain a neutral point of view, then there should not be an elitist attitude about which newsgroups are worthy and which are not? If it's <b>neutral</b> then all should be treated the same?
[[User:Snowbird|Snowbird]] 02:08 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)