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(contracted; show full)this noticeboard which does not adjudicate content disputes. Please do not continue to debate the matter here. Discuss it at the article talk page or use other forms of [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] appropriate for content disputes. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 02:34, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


== Okeeffemarc ==

The page [[Next Conservative Party leadership election]] was subject to significant disruptive editing by sockpuppets of {{u|Torygreen84}} for a period of about six months ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Torygreen84/Archive]]). This was primarily about pushing the user's counter-consensus view that the article should include a long list of potential candidates, which would grow each time to In response to this, the protection level of the page was raised to extended-confirmed. Two days after this, {{u|Okeeffemarc}} edited the page for the first time, pushing the same perspective as the banned socks (compare [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=896567060&oldid=896564377&diffmode=source this sock edit] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=896965431&oldid=896748483&diffmode=source Okeeffemarc's first edit). {{u|Bondegezou}} pointed out to Okeeffemarc that what appeared like a majority view in favour of including a long list on the Talk page was in fact driven by sock accounts (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897012121&oldid=896966130&diffmode=source]) and that the material Okeefemarc had added included material from the banned sock ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=next&oldid=897012121&diffmode=source]). Okeeffemarc denied both counts ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=next&oldid=897012292&diffmode=source]) and ignored evidence provided by Bondegezou ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=next&oldid=897158686&diffmode=source]).

Discussion between Bondegezou and me agreed that a more limited list not based on material added by Torygreen84 would be appropriate at this point. Okeeffemarc continued to ignore the sockpuppetry that had been pointed out to them ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=next&oldid=897350040&diffmode=source]), so I tried to raise this myself with them ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=next&oldid=897428153&diffmode=source]). After this point, Okeeffemarc deleted prose from the article and restored their version of the list ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897427410&oldid=897353579&diffmode=source]), which Bondegezou and I edited to reflect sources and be more up-to-date ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&type=revision&diff=897526543&oldid=897427410&diffmode=source]) with detailed edit summaries. Okeefemarc restored their preferred version and continued editing that one (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897582170&oldid=897579760 and subsequent edits), ignoring all edit summary reasoning and change that had been made. For one example, Okeeffemarc considered George Freeman as a candidate to have "publicly expressed interest" in the leadership of the Conservative Party, ignoring a citation I added titled "George Freeman rules out Conservative leadership" and mentioned in my summary ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897508012&oldid=897507135&diffmode=source]). There is a similar case for every other change the user ignored.

Okeeffemarc then copy-and-paste moved the page to [[2019 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election]] without discussion ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897594968&oldid=897585102&diffmode=source], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897782894&oldid=897594989]), which {{u|User:Mélencron}} reverted ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897597895&oldid=897595718&diffmode=source], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897597869&oldid=897594968&diffmode=source]). Okeeffemarc restored continued to develop the 2019... version of the page. I restored Mélencron's version and explained in my edit summary {{tq|You can't move a page by copying and pasting. Start a move discussion on the Next... article}} ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election&diff=897631758&oldid=897619341&diffmode=source]). The user continues to edit [[2019 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election]] and has most recently written on [[Talk:Next Conservative Party (UK) leadership election]] to complain about {{tq|the lack of a collegiate attitude}}, {{tq|bad faith}} from Bondegezou and me, and a block of text about various content complaints they have.

I don't know if Okeeffemarc is a sockpuppet of Torygreen84, though the timing of their entrance, the material they have added and their continuing conduct has made me wonder. I'm making this report here rather than at [[WP:SPI]] because this user's editing is disruptive regardless of potential sockpuppetry. Please let me know if this is the wrong place to raise my concerns. [[User:Ralbegen|Ralbegen]] ([[User talk:Ralbegen|talk]]) 11:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:I'm not really invested in this, but I'd just like to request a procedural revert of the most recent copy-paste move here. [[User:Mélencron|Mélencron]] ([[User talk:Mélencron|talk]]) 12:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
* I have deleted [[2019 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election]] with a rationale of [[WP:CSD#A10]] as a copy-paste copy of [[Next Conservative Party (UK) leadership election]].  I presume that the latter needs to be moved to the former name now, which any editor can do. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 15:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks {{u|Black Kite}}. I concur with {{u|Ralbegen}}'s description. I don't know if there is any relationship between Okeeffemarc and Torygreen84, but Okeeffemarc is edit-warring and pushing to include material that contains errors and which, best I can tell, originated from Torygreen84. That said, Okeeffemarc and previously Torygreen84 have some sensible and valuable things to say about the article, and there has been a debate with valid points on different sides about what form it should take. [[User:Bondegezou|Bondegezou]] ([[User talk:Bondegezou|talk]]) 15:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Thank you for deleting the page, Black Kite. I have been emailed by {{u|Okeeffemarc}}, who explained that the disruptive behaviour will no longer continue. I've invited them to share what they told me by email in this discussion, but in any case I am satisfied that unless further disruption takes place, no action is needed against Okeeffemarc, and I'm happy for this case to be closed. [[User:Ralbegen|Ralbegen]] ([[User talk:Ralbegen|talk]]) 15:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

::Thanks Black Kite for fixing this. Wow, what a mess! '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 16:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

== Arif soul, communication is required ==

[[User:Arif soul]] has made over 5000 main space edits since June 2018. Tha majority of these seem to relate to Indonesian football teams and their players. In that time he has made zero edits to talk space .
He has a [[User talk:Arif soul|talk page]] full of issues from Articles for Creation relating to referencing BLPs, and from image licensing concerns.<p>
In the last ten days:
* Added another image with dubious claims to holding the copyright - File:QischilGM.jpg - image has been on id-wiki since 2013 (per google image search) by a different user.
* Never added a reference to football BLPs, even when going to the trouble to research detailed infobox data such as [[Rafael Gomes de Oliveira]] {{diff||prev|897570269}} and [[Ramiro Fergonzi]] {{diff||prev|896527269}}, leaving out-dated references in place.
* Never updates the infobox timestamp when updating appearances for players. {{diff||prev|897719615}}, {{diff||prev|897719592}}, {{diff||prev|897719592}} and so on.
* Has blanked a page with no explanation {{diff||prev|897302322}} and cut-paste moved the same page [[User talk:Arif soul#May 2019]]

I feel, regrettably, a short block, to at least get the user to communicate, may be a way forward. This is an area where en-wiki needs contributors, but not at the  cost of BLP issues and image copyright. Cheers, [[User:Gricehead|Gricehead]] ([[User talk:Gricehead|talk]]) 20:32, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
* Note: I have deleted File:QischilGM.jpg as it was copied from [https://www.bola.net/indonesia/digandoli-deltras-manajemen-arema-yakin-dapatkan-qischil-5a032c.html here]. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)⏎
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== User:Alg01 ==

{{u5|Alg01}}
This editor is having a crystal-clear agenda: removing Morocco from any history-related article. He's not here to [[Wikipedia:NOTHERE|build an encyclopedia]], and these are some examples of his disruptive behavior:
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Sorry if this is all a bit vague, but the claim in that final talk page message just weirded me out enough that I thought that maybe some more experienced eyes might be able to sort this out.  &ndash;[[User:Deacon Vorbis|Deacon Vorbis]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Deacon Vorbis|carbon]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Deacon Vorbis|videos]]) 01:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)