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== Ranking ==

Please advise me on my talk page, you already archived the material so you probably be reading it later. --[[User:Coolcat|Cool Cat]] [[User talk:Coolcat|<sup>My Talk</sup>]] 07:23, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
See what I came up with on my user page for a possible ranking system. While ranks imply seniority they do not of course imply power. --[[User:Coolcat|Cool Cat]] [[User talk:Coolcat|<sup>My Talk</sup>]] 21:37, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Rex==
Rex is evidently quite unmellowed by his 4-month holiday.  So far, in just a few days, he's vandalized your user page, picked up a 24-hour block for 3RR violation, and now vandalized my user page.  I believe that, last fall, I was too slow to try to do anything about his harassment.  I didn't want to waste time going through various procedures about him when I could be working on articles.  As a result, he ended up wasting more of my time than if I'd acted earlier.  Having learned from that mistake, I don't want to repeat it.  I suggest that you and I, as victims of user page vandalisms, jointly request mediation over those and other instances of Rex's conduct.  Given that the 4-month partial block didn't shake any sense into him, I can't be very optimistic about mediation, but we might as well give it a try.  Let me know if you agree, and I'll assemble the evidence [[User:JamesMLane|JamesMLane]] 16:37, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What about the both of you two, without cause, attacking "Rex's" edits just becuase they are his? PS: Perhaps I'll just change my IP address by requesting a new one from my DSL provider. Then, as JML does, I can have multiple ID's. How does that sound, Feldspar? [[User:216.153.214.94|216.153.214.94]] 23:11, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:After I left you that note, I thought more about it and became less interested in the idea of mediation.  What's it supposed to accomplish?  Rex already knows he's not supposed to vandalize other people's user pages.  His comment above shows that he's completely unrepentant and will continue to be as obstructive and antagonistic as the proejct will let him.  I don't understand your comment about his IP address, though.  I assume it's not a dynamic IP that might be shared by other users.  Gamaliel blocked it for 24 hours yesterday, so if Rex's goal was to escape responsibility for his own actions, it isn't working.  Perhaps it would be appropriate to ask the ArbCom for a longer block.  I'm going to start collecting evidence at [[User:JamesMLane/Rexlog]].  Feel free to let me know what you think the next step should be.  If you prefer not to be a complainant, I'll bring the RfAr myself; I might as well mention his vandalism of your user page, since I assume you'd have to recuse yourself anyway. [[User:JamesMLane|JamesMLane]] 00:22, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

JML provokes edit wars and hurls insults, then wonders why there is trouble. And what about you Neutrality?... you reverted my own user page on me the other day. Unless and until you guys start backing off and leave me be, there will not be a cessation of charges and counter- charges. [[User:216.153.214.94|216.153.214.94]] 03:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)



== Editor's Barnstar ==

[[Image:Barnstar2.png|center|Wiki masters create value by removing that without]]

I award you this Editor's Barnstar, for recent efforts at [[Terri Schiavo]], for you have demonstrated that ''Wiki masters create value by removing that without''. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 07:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Image:Nixon ==

Would you mind taking a look at [[:Image:Nixon.jpg]]?  My gut is telling me that this is vandalism (well, it's fairly obvious?) but nothing actually links to it from articles and I was wondering if I had really ought to revert this or just change copyright info (since that's obviously not PD, more like fair use) or just leave it alone or what?  Sorry about the randomness of the request, but you're the first learned community member that came to mind.  Thanks!  -[[User:SocratesJedi|SocratesJedi]] | [[User_talk:SocratesJedi|Talk]] 07:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Appreciate the help.  Perhaps something good will come of it too.  Found the picture under a different title (it seems the uploader over Nixon.jpg was an accident?) and added a link to it in the Nixon in Fiction section of the [[Richard Nixon]] article.  Nice illustration methinks.  In any case, always glad to have admin support when needed.  Thanks! -[[User:SocratesJedi|SocratesJedi]] | [[User_talk:SocratesJedi|Talk]] 08:08, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Terri Schiavo ==

<s>I would appreciate it if you would consult the current talk page before removing the picture again.  In the past, no consensus was reached.  (If I'm wrong, feel free to point me to where it occurred.)  At the moment, Gmaxwell (who previously opposed including the picture) has agreed with me that it is possible and desirable to include the picture and explain the issues about it.

<s>The two sections in the talk where this has been discussed are titled "Photos" and "Inappropriate Removal of Photo." (The first one is where I think Gmaxwell and I reached agreement.)

<s>Rather than removing the photo, why don't you suggest changes we can make to the caption to help aid in making it as NPOV as possible?  I would think that the fact that the media is ''massively'' using this image in order to imply that Schiavo is responding as if she were in a better state than most people think she is in would be a fact that both sides would want reported.

<s>[[User:Jdavidb|Jdavidb]] 06:18, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!  I appreciate and agree with both the move and the change in wording.  I'm confident that we can have this image appropriately included in the article. [[User:Jdavidb|Jdavidb]] 06:45, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

<s>C'mon, man.  You played so nice on the photo issue.  Now get on the talk page and discuss what the wording should be about Operation Rescue.

<s>At the very least, you should NOT change this back without noting in the edit summary.  That's deceptive, and against [[Wikipedia:Edit summary|Wikipedia policy]]. [[User:Jdavidb|Jdavidb]] 07:07, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, again!  I understand the editing is flying fast and furious, and with all the sheer JUNK that is coming at that article (I could not believe the number of edits tonight as I tried to go back and find a change made earlier today) it's not always feasible to take the time to run every issue by the talk page.  But when possible, it beats a revert war.

Hopefully the peer review request will bring some more eyes.  (And policemen... :) ) [[User:Jdavidb|Jdavidb]] 07:33, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality, why did you revert my edits? If they were POV, please change--don't wipe out. Thanks! [[User:70.57.139.181|70.57.139.181]] 07:39, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Saints ==

Should the category "Saint" on your favorite/personal page be renamed to "Christian saints"? I mean, when deciding which was your favorite saints, did you include Buddhist saints or Sufi saints--if not, it seems inaccurate to give the generic name "saint" to a category which more correctly is "Christian saints". Thanks! [[User:70.57.139.181|70.57.139.181]] 10:01, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Page on Liberal Bias==
Thanks for watching the page on [[Liberal bias]].  We could certainly use more help from others like yourself.  At the moment, I'm locked in an edit conflict in a few other pages as well, so I would like to thank you for helping watch that page.  I won't allow others to insert POV material without first providing links or evidence to substantiate their claims. [[User:Ethereal|Ethereal]] 03:27, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

== <s>[[User:Stereotek]]</s> ==

<s>This user is agresively revering almost all my edits claiming its pov. How do you suggest I deal with this? Same user was suposively "mediating" [[Armenian Genocide]] article. The amount of armenian agression I recive should cease.
--[[User:Coolcat|Cool Cat]] [[User talk:Coolcat|<sup>My Talk</sup>]] 04:10, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)</s>
* Under control.

== [[User:Shuffdog|shuff]] 06:48, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC) ==
was the schiavo thing not neutral?  there actually is an active countereffort, reported by the news, to keep her alive, is that not plainly factual, and worth encyclopedizing, given the scope of the article?
:peace,
: [[User:Shuffdog|shuff]] 06:48, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

no prob, dude, keep on rockin'. : )
: [[User:Shuffdog|shuff]] 06:50, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

right, you use the <nowiki><sup></nowiki> tag, but the problem is actually, how do you prevent the extraneous garbage from showing up?

i put this into the preferences box:
: [[User:Shuffdog|Shuffdog]]<sup>[[User talk:Shuffdog|talk]]</sup>
and this comes out when i type <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>:
: [[User:Shuffdog|[[User:Shuffdog|Shuffdog]]<sup>[[User talk:Shuffdog|talk]]</sup>]]

== [[Terri Schiavo]] ==

Hey Neutrality, I normally agree with your edits.. but you just came in and reverted almost all of today's changes to the Terri Schiavo article, many of which were pretty good, almost all of which were very neutral,  and some of which were the product of some good back and forth discussion and agreement.  If you disagree with some of the specific changes, please change those points one at a time rather than reverting the entire article.[[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]] 18:47, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Mumbai ==

I've noticed that you rate [[Sarajevo]] as your best city article. I was wondering if I could wean you away to [[Mumbai]], my latest FA, in the hope that Mumbai would be higher rated by u. In August last you had opposed the nomination, I worked on it this month providing a comprehensive article. [[User:Nichalp|Nichalp]] 20:34, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

== Easy bible quoting in Wikipedia ==

Hi, I'm interested in Wikipedia finding an easy way to reference bible quotes. They are often given in various forms, such as ''Deut 4:16'' or ''Deut. 4-16'' or ''Deuteronomy 4:16'', etc, etc. Basically, there should be some sort of standard here, and secondly, there should be a way to wikify these to make links to the source text, or to a page listing alternative source texts (such as KJV, Hebrew at Mechon Mamre [http://www.mechon-mamre.org], Greek LXX, JPS 1917 edition at Mechon Mamre, etc.) for that verse. I was wondering where you would suggest to propose this, and what you thought of this idea. A page like [[613 Mitzvot]] could really do with it. --[[User:Jnothman|jnothman]] 04:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

*[http://www.unboundbible.com Unbound Bible] has a nice comparison.  The best way would be if you could include the initials for the version (such as KJV or NIV or YL), and it would link to that version.  All you really need to do is find a site that includes the chapter name and verses in its URL, and you can make it work.  --{{User:Brian0918/sig}} 04:25, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**It looks like [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=john%203:16&version=31 BibleGateway.com] will do this.  All you need to do is make a template that makes a URL, and list on the talk page what the different version numbers correspond to.  --{{User:Brian0918/sig}} 04:31, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**I'm writing up a template now, let's see if it works.  Check out:  {{tl|bibleverse}}  --{{User:Brian0918/sig}} 04:34, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
* Thanks for your welcome, Neutral, although I've been around a while, I just have too many other committments to be particularly active. I'm not sure, Brian0918, about the use of biblegateway. In particular, from a Jewish and historical perspective, it is strange to provide a source without the Hebrew OT. Additionally, I'm not sure how templates work, but it would be useful to have a shorthand book name (Deut rather than Deuteronomy), and to display the citation as well as providing the link. --[[User:Jnothman|jnothman]] 04:38, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**You can use Deut and Sam instead of the full name.  See the talk page for {{tl|bibleverse}} for other comments.  --{{User:Brian0918/sig}} 05:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==You're the lucky first admin I saw==
Don't you feel special?  Anyways, I couldn't find any wikipedia site for reporting trolls or suggesting members to ban or whatever, so I just picked the most visible admin.  (Feel honoured?)

Anyways, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=24.19.81.7&limit=20&offset=0
(24.19.81.7) has "vandalized" the only two articles he's had any input on, both of them fairly obviously.  (On one, basically stating "THis musician sucks, he's an arrogant prick, I hate him", on the other basically making up facts and removing actual facts about a Saudi minister I guess he has some feelings towards or something.)

Whatever, didn't see any benefit to him being allowed to continue ruining people's work and forcing me to visit his "contributions" page to revert his other article he ruined, so I'd be happy if you'd do whatever it is you admins do
--[[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] 07:40, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Recent additions]] ==

While I appreciate your efforts in updating this page, I'd like to ask you to to take the items you add from the bottom of The archive section at [[Template talk:Did you know]] to avoid a number of items being skipped (which your edit did). Happy editing! [[User:131.211.210.16|131.211.210.16]] 11:20, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Replies to [[User:MacGyverMagic|MacGyverMagic]], please!

==Autofellatio vandal abusing your name on Klingon wikipedia==
Well, the caption says is all - [[:tlh:User:Neutrality]] replaced article on Klingon with the autofellatio image - now thanks to the deletion of the porn image just the drawing, but still annoying. I have reverted those edits, but now it needs an admin there to clean up some page move vandalism as well. I just noticed it as someone was redirected to the Thai wikipedia from Klingon, and left a confused note there - I am not interested in Klingon normally. Just thought I should let you know. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 22:58, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Terry Schaivo edit conflict ==

Looks like about 4 people tried to report her death all at once but yours won... I'll back off for a few minutes to let you finish.  Suggest you put the inuse tag on there!  Cheers, [[User:Zerbey|Zerbey]] 15:04, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Thank You! ==

Hi Neutrality,

I would like to thank you for your vote of support and confidence for my adminship, it has been much appreciated. If you need anything in future that requires my attention, please do not hesitate to contact me. :) 

- ''Cheers'', [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 18:27, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==WP:RM==
Where do we go to vote on the Requested move? I was thinking about voting to ''support'' such a move. &mdash;[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 04:28, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
* (Just kidding, while I'm inclined to delete the vandalism on the RM page, I can't while I'm still laughing at it &mdash;[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 04:37, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC))

== Numbers ==
In the Schiavo article I found inconsistency of usage, with some numbers expressed in numerals and some in words.  I made the usage consistent (as per the MoS), though I might have missed one or two.  As normal English typographers' rules are to spell out words under 100, that was what I did.  Do you have a particular argument against that approach?  I'm going to bed now (sorry to leave a message and then run), but I'll get back to your reply as soon as I can. [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 22:30, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Newspapers cut a lot of corners, of course, as they're under constant pressure of space.  I've always been taught the over-100 rule, which is also to be found in Rees' ''Rules of Printed English'':

::'''202''' Numbers under 100 should normally be spelt out.
::'''203''' Numbers of 100 and over should be expressed in figures.

The exception that I'd forgotten is when a number over 100 is associated with one under 100 ("Of every 100 children born, only 24 lived as long as a year"). [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 08:44, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)



==Bad maps==
Your help and common sense is needed. [[User:Kelisi]], has been producing some maps and trying to replace the CIA maps for several Caribbean and South American countries. In my opinion these new maps (which have more detail than the CIA maps) are vastly inferior. They use garish colours, terrible decorative fonts, use a horribly large pixel size and are generally ugly and crowded, and look terribly amateurish and like they were produced on a [[Commodore 64]] or something. Here is a list of maps he has produced . http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Kelisi&hideminor=0&namespace=6. Perhaps the worst example is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brazilmap.gif . Bizarrly these maps seems to have support from a few people who have been trying to push through their inclusion on several pages. Please see [[talk:Panama]] and [[talk:Honduras]]. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 09:16, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Treaties of Paris ==

Hi, just wondering if you were planning to add the text of the various Treaties of Paris to Wikisource, 'cause there not there now. Seems bad form to replace an existing link to text that works with one to a non-existent page. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 03:30, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to ask you to account for your votes on the proposed decision talk page of my arb case. Thank you. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 21:55, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Open Tasks ==

When adding new requests to the open tasks, please move unfulfilled ones to the standby rather then just deleting them. That way they won't be lost forever. Or, better yet, you can just add your suggestions to the standby and they will be added after the next request are fulfilled. Thanks. --[[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]] 04:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)