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== [[Iowa class battleship]] ==

On September 9, 2005 you introdused line to [[Iowa class battleship]] article, it was removed/reverted back and forth like dosen times, article got even [[NPOV]] tag at some point of time, and there is quite big discussion on discusion page. The line state:

(their only serious competition were the British ''[[HMS Vanguard (1944)|HMS Vanguard]]'' and the Japanese [[Japanese battleship Yamato|''Yamato'']] class)

If you can take a look into discussion and may be contribute to it, it would be graitly apprisiated. [[User:TestPilot|TestPilot]] 22:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, it is ok now. Edit war (hopefully) resolved. Thank you. '''<font color="green">[[User:TestPilot|TestPilot]]</font>''' 20:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

== Don't delete me posts ==

Yer deleted me post on the Blackadder Talk Page. Come on man, that's not nice.--[[User:Crestville|Crestville]] 16:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:that's ok. it was pointless anyway. Just thought you might have a reason for doing it.--[[User:Crestville|Crestville]] 20:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


== Ah ALoanunus Prestito ==

Judging by the quality of your recent edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates#Double_whammy_today] you have time on your hands!  Perhaps you would like to do one of your famous "light copy edits" here at [[Olga Rudge]], I'm rather in love with her and can't see her faults. You good Christmas I hope? [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 20:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
::*Thanks nice edits! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 18:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

==River Plate==
In November 2004 you deleted [[River Plate]] see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_log_archive/November_2004_%281%29), presumably after the page was moved to [[Río de la Plata]] we have a similar situation now, see [[Talk:Río de la Plata]], note we also have a completely separate page [[Rio de la Plata]] without the diacritic. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 19:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:I don't remember that: I probably deleted it so I could swap it and the redirect to the football team.  I have reinstated the disambiguation at [[River Plate]] and move the non-diacritic [[Rio de la Plata]] to [[Río de la Plata (disambiguation)]].  HTH. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 19:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[Australian Test Cricket Umpires]] ==

Thanks for your feedback on this page.  Don't take my digs at Poms too seriously.  After all, us Aussies are all descended from your riff-raff aren't we? (At least I am - and proud of it!) [[User:MulgaBill|MulgaBill]] 02:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Cricket/Featured article]] ==

Hi ALoan.  See Jon's talk page!  I was bold... [[User:Sam Korn|<nowiki>[[Sam Korn]]</nowiki>]] 21:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry, what's your question? How did I move them so quickly?  Tabbed browsing! [[User:Sam Korn|<nowiki>[[Sam Korn]]</nowiki>]] 21:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::No, complete coincidence!  Sorry, no can do, I'm afraid. I'm installing my sister's iPod for her... [[User:Sam Korn|<nowiki>[[Sam Korn]]</nowiki>]] 21:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Wikifun|Wikifun]] round 12 ==

This is to invite you to participate in the next game of [[Wikipedia:Wikifun|Wikifun]].<br />
Round 12 will begin at 11:00 UTC on Friday January 20. 2006. <br />
-- [[User:Ravn|Ravn]] 17:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

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==Indo-Greek Kingdom==
Hi ALoan. I've put the [[Indo-Greek Kingdom]] on the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates]] pages. Thanks to put in your vote![[User:PHG|PHG]] 14:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of South Park episodes]]==
Hey ALoan i've finished the rationales for this page now let me know if you find them acceptable or not [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 15:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

==Block-a-sock==
Take a look at [[User talk:70.248.125.230]] — there's your AngryBeaver, Big Potato, and Gary the Snail, I think.  I'll go dig out a sock template for their userpages. Perhaps you'd like to undo your blocks and block 'em indefinitely as sockpuppets? I don't much like people who abuse our niceness. This person can create a new account and behave, when the autoblock on the IP runs out. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 23:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC).

== Lala Amarnath ==

I'll expand Amarnath, CK Nayudu and Vijay Hazare in Feb/March. I have biographies of all the three but don't have access to them at the moment. [[User:Tintin1107|Tintin]] [[User_talk:Tintin1107|Talk]] 15:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

== By the way... ==

... really great work with [[Rainbow]] - your efforts were what kept the article featured.  --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] - ''[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson/Shazaam|Shazaam!]]'' - [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson|&lt;*&gt;]] 16:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

== Transvestite lesbians! White slavery! Bad acting! Acting badly! ==

How did you ''know'' about Annelsley?  That's some seriously deep trivia.  Thanks for the stuff on Charke.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 19:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

== Deus Caritas Est ==

Ah - though I did say someone couldn't count, I never said who the someone was:) [[User:Jguk|jguk]] 13:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

:It's me.  If I'm wearing shoes, I can only count to 11.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 17:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== Killed by the local council ==

[[Edward Pilgrim]] now has the account from the DNB.  I have a strong suspicion that an actual English type person could find stuff around Romford and Romford's virtual presence that might shed more light, not to mention archives and stuffs from the Daily Express.  (My article is merely a skeleton.)  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 15:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

:Are you use it is "Unity" and not "Utility"? (Did they have Utility houses, like the furniture and the clothes?)  -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 16:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

:Street map [http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=550118&y=189534&z=1&sv=mawney+road&st=6&tl=Mawney+Road,+Romford,+RM7&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf here], btw. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 16:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Pretty sure it's Unity, with a majiscule and everything, which suggests that it was some sort of Thing.  The DNB said that it was a pre-fabricated Unity house.  Perhaps that was a company that did early prefab housing?  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 16:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh!  From the map, I can tell you '''exactly''' where the house that killed Edward Pilgrim is.  If we give letters on the Y axis and numbers on the X axis, then his house was at C 1-2, in the brown "works" at the very bottom of the map.  He lived on Marlborough St. and bought a lot ''next door'' that was eaten by the Mawney Rd. development, so we take the intersection of Malrborough and Mawney, and that has to be it.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 16:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== Please edit more carefully ==

Please don't override the warning you seen when you go to save an edit.  You clobbered my edit on [[User talk:Paper33d]].  Please restore my last edit there. [[User:Hu|Hu]] 13:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the edit.  I must apologize because I was in the process of restoring it myself and ended up duplicating your restoration and maybe clobbering some other edits too.  I wonder if something funny is going on with Wikipedia that it is not issuing warnings like it usually does.  Possibly Paper33d is blanking some edits like he or she did initially.  Hopefully it is all ok now. [[User:Hu|Hu]] 13:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

== Rioplatense Spanish ==

http://www.stanford.edu/~aananda/8HLSFinal.PDF is not working. I read it previously though, so I won't revert, but I really find your insert odd, given our opposite positions at "Río de la Plata". I know it's in good faith, but it's still odd. Sorry for the intrusion.

[[User:Sebastiankessel|Sebastian Kessel]] <sup>''[[User_talk:Sebastiankessel|Talk]]''</sup> 15:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

:[http://www.lingref.com/cpp/hls/8/paper1260.pdf This one] still works.  It may look a bit inconsistent, but I'm sure the Spanish generally is called ''Rioplatense'' - that is what the reference implies, anyway.  However, that does not mean that the common English name of the river is not [[River Plate]].  We are going to have to agree to disagree (and it look like I am going to have to remember Alt-161. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 16:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::The "agree to disagree" thing is the smart thing for both of us to do. As far as the diacritics, I will fight for the redirect from "Rio" to "Río", in case somebody opposes it. :)  [[User:Sebastiankessel|Sebastian Kessel]] <sup>''[[User_talk:Sebastiankessel|Talk]]''</sup> 19:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, if it is to be at the Spanish name, it has to be at "Río". -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 19:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I agree, but that shouldn't stop a redirect from "Rio", right? [[User:Sebastiankessel|Sebastian Kessel]] <sup>''[[User_talk:Sebastiankessel|Talk]]''</sup> 20:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Absolutely not - we should create redirects liberally, particular for pages with a title that includes an accent.  I think [[River Plate]] is going to end up as a disambiguation page. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 20:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Then we are in the same page here. Also, I believe RP to be a dab page already. [[User:Sebastiankessel|Sebastian Kessel]] <sup>''[[User_talk:Sebastiankessel|Talk]]''</sup> 20:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

==Indo-Greek Kingdom FA==
[[Indo-Greek Kingdom]] is now a [[Featured article]]. Thanks for the great support! [[User:PHG|PHG]] 22:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

==Lindsey Davis==
Yep, Davis announced last year that she was taking a year off after one-per year for so long, and now ''Saturnalia'' is due next March. There's mention of it all [http://www.lindseydavis.co.uk/lindseyspage.htm here]. [[User:Barbara Osgood|Barbara Osgood]] 17:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Ahhhh! ==

So '''that's''' what [[Hart Hall]] is!  Man, I looked.  When I saw that it was red, I thought that I must have done the link wrong, but I couldn't find anything like it.  Then I figured that folks simply hadn't made an article yet.  Granted, that's hard to believe, but it was possible.  I didn't think that it had changed its name!  Great detective work.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 14:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

==Interface standardization==
Re:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:FLpages&curid=3944154&diff=38025389&oldid=38015890  this diff] - I strongly disagree. They need to follow the same order in each one so that if someone is browsing from Featured articles to featured lists to featured pictures, the links stay in the same order (rather than confusingly jumping around). That's the reason why having a standard interface is desirable - to cut down on that kind of confusion. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 18:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:Well, the bottom links are going to change between different sorts of featured content (is that confusing too?) so why should the top ones have to stay the same?  If someone is browsing from FAs to FLs to FPs etc, then the current-page one will be black in any event: if we adopt your style, the black one will be hopping about (again, isn't this a little confusing?) whereas my style puts the black one at the top of the list, whichever page the reader is looking at.  If one is browsing from FL to FLC to FLRC, then surely it makes sense for the FL link to be at the top of the list each time. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::It's all right if the links at the bottom change - it's not too terribly difficult to make the inference that clicking on "featured articles" brings up the featured article tools, "featured pictures" brings up the featured picture tools, 'etc. However, to the contrary of what you say, it *is* very much confusing if the links rearrange themselves everytime you change pages, which is exactly what I am trying to avoid. It's not necessary to put the current one at the top because, as you say, it will be bolded black in any event. Rearranging links  confuses people with no real benefit. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 18:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::<shrug> I think both are potentially confusing.  It will only be bolded on the actual page to which it is a link, and it seems rather daft for the first entry in the FL template to be featured articles. Why should the first entry in the list on FLRC be FA? -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I hope we are not going to fall out over the crosslinks between the various featured article criteria too? -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::::No, I definitely do not desire that. The thing is, we've gone to all this trouble to give them a nice, sleek, standard interface. It's supposed to have a nice, intuitive behavior - when you click on a FA link, it becomes black and you get "featured article tools". When you click featured pictures, it becomes black and you get "featured picture" tools. Users do not expect the links to change order - it's very much counter-intuitive behavior, which is what we want to avoid. I have an idea though - if you want, we could make it more explicit by putting an arrow in the various templates to explicitely indicate which section you are in. In other words, you go to "featured picture candidates", and the links are still in the FA/FP/FL/FPO order, but there's an arrow pointing left at featured pictures. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 18:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::Now that ''does'' sound like a good idea. OK. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::I've implimented it. Do you like? [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 18:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, I think that works. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Wonderful. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 18:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I'm glad you're glad. Now, where did I leave my peacocks... ;) -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Numbered lists ==

"It is not difficult to make sure that the auto-numbering works - just start each line with a hash"
:Fixing that in a certain RfA has become a tiresome chore of mine recently - I'll have to remember your succinct edit summary. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]]  ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 18:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::Heh - perhaps I was more, er, succinct, than I intended: also potential unintentional double entendre in the second part... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Maybe this is a double-enterndre that doesn't translate to American English. I'm not seeing it. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]]  ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 19:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Hmm - well, "lines" and "hash" have certain overtones... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 02:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
:Heh heh heh.  I think maybe it has to do with being either a) old enough to remember the Summer of Drugs, b) the sort of person who has hung out with college students who chuckle over implicit drug references as much as sexual innuendo.  Despite fitting both of those, I was thirty before I realized that the band Head East's song's "sweet lovin' woman much better than a white line" was not a reference to the highway.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

== Template Coat of Arms... ==

Sorry about deleting some of the templates.  I'm new at this, and didn't think that they were very effective.  I'll try and put them back in.

== Dwingeloo 1 image ==

I want to talk about [[:Image:Dwingeloo 1.jpg]], you took this picture?  You were on the discovery team that found [[Dwingeloo 1]]?  If so then WOW, I don't know what to say, but you discovered my #1 fav. Galaxy, I honor you.  We'll talk about my worshiping you later, to the point.  [[User:Ryanrs|Ryanrs]] suggested that I ask you if you could release [[:Image:Dwingeloo 1.jpg|the image]] under the [[Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GFDL]], if you are authorized to do so.<br>&mdash; <font color="green">[[User:Hurricane Devon|Hurricane Devon]]</font> ( <font color="blue">[[User talk:Hurricane Devon|Talk]]</font> ) 21:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Did they already know? ==

I can't tell if Sallust's gardens made DYK.  It seemed like a cool bit of a thing to know to me.  (Note: I am a recovering Classicist who is now almost totally in remission.)  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 17:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, I got to the gardens via the [[Borghese Vase]], which I got to via the [[Waterloo Vase]], which I got to via [[Buckingham Palace]], which Giano was working on some time ago - I think I looked in after adding [[Nonsuch Palace]].  And so the wheel turns.  -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Stream of consciousness editing!  "I was thinking about [[fox]]es, and then that made me think of [[Heather Locklear]], which got me thinking about the Billy Flanegin sketch that [[John Lovitz]] used to do, and that made me think about lies, and that made me think of [[George W. Bush]], which reminded me of [[vandalism]], and I always think of some cool [[graffiti]] I saw in [[Athens, Georgia]], where someone had written above a [[prophylactic]] machine, "Hey, this bubblegum tastes like rubber!" and that made me wonder if we had an <nowiki>[[Category: Condoms]]</nowiki>, so I went to look.  I saw that we then needed a [[template: Dickhead]] for some users, and that's why I got an indefinite block!"  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 04:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
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== Bobblewik ==

Hello, regarding your note at [[User talk:Bobblewik]], I blocked him for one hour to temporarily stop him from making bot-like edits from his main account and allow for discussion on his talk page in the meantime. See [[WP:BOT]], which states "Sysops should block bots, without hesitation, if they are unapproved, doing something the operator didn't say they would do, messing up articles or editing too rapidly." &mdash; '''''[[User:Freakofnurture/|<font color="006000" title="User:Freakofnurture">F<small>REAK OF</small> N<small>UR<sub>x</sub>TURE</small></font>]]'' <small>(<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} <font color="006000" title="User talk:Freakofnurture">TALK</font>]</span>)</small>''' <small>10:57, Feb. 14, 2006</small>
:Unfortunately this has been escalated to a situation where the first person to shut up loses by default, see WP:AN... wait... I guess you already did. &mdash; '''''[[User:Freakofnurture/|<font color="006000" title="User:Freakofnurture">F<small>REAK OF</small> N<small>UR<sub>x</sub>TURE</small></font>]]'' <small>(<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} <font color="006000" title="User talk:Freakofnurture">TALK</font>]</span>)</small>''' <small>22:24, Feb. 15, 2006</small>

== Gresham college ==

Hi, I've commented on yr recent edit at [[Talk:Gresham College]]. Take a look? cheers [[User:JackyR|JackyR]] 15:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

::Gresham have been v helpful and I'm expecting data from them shortly. Could you take a [[wikt:butcher's|butcher's]] at [[User:JackyR/sandbox]] where I have demo-ed some possible layouts? Cheers, [[User:JackyR|JackyR]] 15:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

::And also at [[Gresham Professors of Astronomy]], which as yet is pretty much in the form I received it. [[User:JackyR|JackyR]] 00:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

== Re: [[Thomas Sayers]] ==

Yeah, you are probably right I just got stuck in "copy & paste moves are bad" mode. I agree it doesn't make much of a difference in cases like that. Feel free to re-delete the history if you want to. --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] <span style="font-size:75%">[[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]]</span> 17:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks for the copyedit. I have just made one or two  minor changes.  I did not use any information from the 1911, so have eliminated it from the references.  Thanks, I appreciate it. [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 22:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Would you like to have another look at Sayers - I think I've done with him for now. I didn't want him on the fromt page it is not ready - people will jump the gun here so! Just out of interest what do you think of that form of referencing - what is one supposed to do when "Havarding" to an internet site.  personally I think it looks foul and incongruous, but then I don't like all this having to justify every statement at all, I've always thought if people are that bothered they can go out and buy the bloody book, just as they must with everything else that carries references at the back. Thanks for the copyedit though - appreciated. [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 20:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
::::* No I've no idea who nominated it either?  Can't think why, it's not that fascinating. I wish they had not, I've just had to revert some twit who had not bothered to read the page (probably incapable).  The referencing, you recommend, (nice article)  looks better, do the notes appear by magic at the bottom of the page?  - I have huge problem with magic and computers in general because what seems to happen by magic for other people seldom seems to happen for me!  Are you sure the assorted odds and sods (who never write a age themselves)  who inhabit FAC are happy with this, or will they want to change it tomorrow -  one just can't keep track of these people's thoughts - but then I suppose - does one really want to? 

:::::Check out the [[Palazzo Pitti]] - I seem to remember [[Lorenzo de' Medici]] collected ancient vases - sadly he often had them altered and restore very crassly - but I suppose he meant well  - do a google I bet it comes up as one of his. See you've been copyediting again, not had chance to look yet - but thanks anyway - sure it's great! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 21:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
*How on earth am I suppose to understand that - it would be easier and less stressful to take a resit of "International Economic Law".  I don't think I shall ever be in FAC territory again anyway - but I will have a try next time I am half there with a couple of weeks to spare [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 21:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

== Donoghue v Stevenson ==

I've had a try at removing repetitions, reorganising paragraphs and restoring NPOV. It's my first try at this for Wikipedia, so if I've messed up, be kindly. Didn't want to be too brutal to the contributor's work, so perhaps I haven't been ruthless enough. [[User:Grahambrack|Grahambrack]] 21:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

== Re:PII ==

Yes, thank you for telling me - I noticed ImpuMozhi's remarks almost immediately, and I'm measuring my response. [[User:Rama's Arrow|Rama&#39;s Arrow]] 16:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

== Re: Iowa class battleship ==
Thanks for the vote of confidence, its nice to know that folks still read articles embroiled in edit wars. Some good news, too: MateoP has looked over the edit and vioced his aproval for the current version. If Test Pilot does the same then the edit war should ''finally'' be over. [[User:TomStar81|TomStar81]] 00:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Hi, thanks for the pointer to the article, but I get almost no time to contribute to wikipedia these days. I still try and contribute bits of information, but I don't think I may continue to contribute in the near future. Regards, [[user:Nichalp|<font color="#0082B8">=Nichalp</font>]] [[User Talk:Nichalp|<font color="#0082B8">«Talk»=</font>]] 09:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


== FACs ==

Thank you for your comment at [[Talk:Olga Rudge]], I have very mixed feeling still about FACs etc.  On one hand I think a page has a wider audience if it is a FA, and who does not like to see one of their pages on the main page - However, I think the current preoccupation with peer reviews, inline citations and God know's what else lead me to the view that it is not worth the effort, a view confirmed by the thorough ignoring "Olga Rudge" received last time -  one solitary voter,  who did not now what he was talking about and the page failed.  I don't feel inclined to see any more hard work rejected in what can only be described as an offhand manner.  I did briefly think that "Good article" may be the way forward but this edit summary on my fist attempt [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brympton_d%27Evercy&action=history] (blatantly untrue) has led me to the same conclusion.  At the end of the day I know what is a "proper" FA and I also know what is not.  I am frequently surprised when pages like "Cynna Neele" are easily promoted, and other pages like "Henry James" seem to have a real problem -  and that has rather confused me as to  what exactly we are all supposed to be doing to achieve a FA.  It seems laws and requirements change depending on the subject.  Contrary to my latest series of articles I am not in fighting mood, and I can't be bothered to dance attendance on the "prose police" and the whims of those who know nothing about a subject. Regards [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 13:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

==FLRC==
The current [[Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Bangladeshi national cricket captains|FLRC]] now has fewer redlinks. You might want to reexamine it and possibly reconsider your vote. [[User:Miss Madeline|Miss Madeline]] | [[User talk:Miss Madeline|Talk to Madeline]] 19:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

==Leg and Reg Bill==
Thanks for your remarks about the Leg and Reg Bill. I am so glad that some other people have taken an interest in it. I have been telling everyone I know about it as soon as I saw the Bill. It is quite the most breathtaking attempt at pulling a fast one by the government I have seen in a long time. Do you have a personal view on it? Do you know if there is a pressure group that is going to act against it, or will either of the professional bodies. The second reading had very little publicity. [[User:Francis Davey|Francis Davey]] 21:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

:It was brought to my attention by Aldabra today (are you aware that son-of-GROGGS continues on the web?).  I am intending to write an article in the next few days, if you don't beat me to it.  It is an outrageous try-on.  I have just found an "anti" Law Society briefing note - [http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/secure/file/152472/e:/teamsite-deployed/documents//templatedata/Internet%20Documents/Parliamentary%20briefings/Documents/legregrefbillhoc2ndreading090206.pdf].  I think the noises are just starting and will get louder as the legislative process goes on. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 21:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

::I had no idea son of GROGGS was still around. The Today programme had something on it this morning. I'll leave you to write the article (I am sure you are better at it) unless you want my help, in which case I am happy to give it. One worrying thing is that the minister this morning said that they wouldn't be using it for "highly" contraversial proposals. This has mutated from only using it for uncontraversial proposals, which was where we started. Thus, can we infer that the government are going to create merely contraversial law with it? [[User:Francis Davey|Francis Davey]] 16:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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== Two little Americans ==

So far, no joy on finding information on those two American biographical subjects (they are Americans, aren't they?).  I looked through two versions of the ''American National Biography'' today, but I'm not calling it quits yet.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 21:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:I am pretty sure that [[Sara Cone Bryant]] is American, but [[Constance Egan]] is almost certainly English. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 21:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
::Goodness Me, Aloan I had no idea you were branching out into new interests [http://www.new-video.de/darsteller-constance-egan/] I'm sure she'll be more popular than my own dull women! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 22:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I hope [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0250662/ ''she''] is a different Constance Egan - my one produced a son in 1927, so would have been in her late 50s or 60s at the earliest in 1969 - but there is no guarantee.  Watch [[Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice|the film]] and tell me... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 22:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:::By the way, how many [[obelisks in Rome]] are there, and where are they? -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 22:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
::::*10! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 22:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:::*1 Esquiline (twin of) one in Piazza del Quirinale
:::*2 Piazza del Quirinale (from mausoleum of Augustus)
:::*3Flaminian Obelisk, Piazz del Popolo
:::*4Lateran Obelisk, Piazza di S. Giovanni
:::*5Obelisk of Montecitorio -  Obelisk of Psammetychus II
:::*6Obelisk of Rameses II, Piazza della Rotonda (infront of the Pantheon)
:::*7Sallustian Obelisk. in fore of Trinita dei Monti near the Spanish Steps
:::*8Pulcin della Minerva, the smallest in Rome from Iseo Campense by Bernini has an elephant on top
:::*9 Fontana dei Quattro Fiumi (Bernini) Piazza Navona
:::*10: Aha! Got it the most obvious one - Vaticano in the centre of Piazza San Pietro

:::* The things I do for you ALoan! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 23:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:[[Obelisks in Rome]] currently says 7 Egyptian and 4 Roman copies; [[Obelisks]] says 12 in Italy of which 3 are outside Rome; [[:it:Obelisco]] lists 9 in Rome; and [[:it:Obelischi di Roma]] has lots... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 23:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

::Is [[Asterix]] invoved with this [[Obelix|Obelisk]]? How many [[menhir]]s are there in Rome? &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]]  ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 23:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Ignore Mrs Bishonen, she is probably from a culturely deprived district, I expect some people are counting things like Trajan's Column, I always thought (was told once) it was ten. [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 07:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Thanks, Giano.  Our articles are in a real mess.  You would think that people would be able to count huge pointed lumps of stone.  But it is Italy, after all, so...

::::As you should be aware, BoG, the slightly shorter, shifty-looking, [[Gitanes]]-smoking friend of [[obelisk|obeli'''sk''']] is [[asterisk|asteri'''sk''']]. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 09:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
*Oh BoG he's here too is he, I hadn't seen him there - well he's would know very little about the subject coming from another culturally deprived area........(er Idaho I believe or somewhere very similar), no doubt if they saw an obelisk in those parts they would attempt to launch it into outer space or think that aliens had landed.  Finally, what do you mean "But it is Italy, after all, so..." Let me tell you ALoan just because you come from a country that built a dome (useless empty dome in fact hohohoh!) there is no need to be rude about countries so rich in culture we have too much too count! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 13:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Right - based on [[it:Obelischi di Roma]] and [[de:Obelisken in Rom]], and some excellent external websites, it seems that there are 13 ancient [[obelisks in Rome]]:
*8 Ancient Egyptian obelisks:
*#Lateranense (Piazza di San Giovanni in Laterano)
*#Vaticano (Saint Peter's Square)
*#Flaminio (Piazza del Popolo)
*#Solare (Piazza di Montecitorio)
*#Macuteo (Piazza della Rotonda)
*#Minerveo (Santa Maria sopra Minerva)
*#Dogali (Baths of Diocletian)
*#Matteiano (Villa Celimontana)
*5 Roman ones:
*#Agonalis (Piazza Navona)
*#Quirinale (Piazza del Quirinale)
*#Esqualine (Piazza dell'Esquilino)
*#Sallustiano (Trinità dei Monti)
*#Pinciano (Pincian Hill)
plus several modern ones (Villa Medici; Villa Torlonia; Foro Italico; Marconi), plus Axum (now returned).
Phew. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 16:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

:Well, see [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Obelisks in Rome]]. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 12:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

== [[Clig]] ==

Hello.  My AfD nomination for [[Clig]] indeed was a mistake.  I've retracted my nomination.  Would you like to close the AfD?  [[User:James084|James084]] 21:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

* Oh, given my involvement to date, I'll let another admin do that. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 21:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:*Very well.  I do hope you will accept my apologies if I have offended in some way.  [[User:James084|James084]] 23:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:::No problem.  Please would ''you'' accept my apologies if I came across as testy.  I visit AfD very rarely, so was really not sure what was par for the course. But this [[WP:PROD]] thing seems to have real possibilities.  I just hope I have not offended anyone or done anything wrong by deleting some articles in the "red zone", but they can always be undeleted.  As you may have spotted, I have a reaonably wide wide margin of acceptability for dubious articles. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 23:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:::No problem.  That's what makes it all go round.  Thanks again!  [[User:James084|James084]] 23:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


== JV's TL ==
I think that looks brilliant ALoan! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 11:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
:Maybe it depends on your screen resolution or some o' that. It's unbecomingly crowded on my 1024x768. :-( Linebreaks won't work, huh? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|ノート]] 11:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC).
::I am afraid not - they work, in the sense that the line is broken, but leave the thing just as wide as before, like it was last night.  A problem with the code, I think, just like the linking problem.  Yes, it is about 400px wide :( -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 12:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Mmmm — OK, now all we need for it to look great is a longer TOC. ;-) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|ノート]] 12:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC).

::::OK - boiling down the text has got me to just over 300px wide.  You'll have to tell me if I have reduced it too far or left something vital out.  There is a  large gap from birth in 1664 to to his army commission in 1686.  He must have done something in those 22 years - can it be filled with some early life (school?  univesity?). I've put move it up next to the TOC to fill some white space, which seems to work reasonably well (now I have added a &lt;br clear>) on both wide and narrow windows... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 12:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::"How Vanbrugh spent the years from age 18 to 22 is something of a mystery." :P Trust me, everything known is in the "Early life" section. Btw, I don't know how the "January 29" that you use got into the original timeline. Sneaky vandalism, perhaps, or some old style/new style crap. Ignore it, please. He was ''baptized'' on January 24. That's why there's a question mark against that birthdate in the Lead, but the 24 can be used as birthdate in the timeline, IMO, as baptism normally was in fact on the day of birth. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|ノート]] 13:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC).

::::::Thanks - but what about ''before'' he was 18?  Where did he live?  Which schools did he go to? Does the article that 24 is a baptismal date? -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 13:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Chester. Dad was a "sugar-baker" in Chester. (That's a Barbadoes sugar importer, see explanation in "Early life".) Oh, oh, I've got a timed event: Vanbrugh moved from London to Chester at the age of one! On account of the 1665 London plague breakout, so it's colorful and everything. He went to... uh, some school, in Chester. Years aren't known. What I ''picture'' him doing between 18 and 22 is youthfully plotting to overthrow the House of Stuart while wearing a frilly shirt and galloping handsomely back and forth to Amsterdam, or wherever William was hanging out, with dispatches from the English resistance. Maybe you could put "Some people picture him..." in the empty space? I didn't bother to put in the baptism thing, no. The Germans asked about the question mark and I told them, so the German article has something about it. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|ノート]] 16:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC).

== FLRC ==

Mind weighing in at [[Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Bangladeshi national cricket captains]]? We are faced with an interesting situation and now it's not so clear-cut whether this list should be demoted. Thanks! -- [[User:Rune.welsh|Run]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="#339900">e</font>]] [[User:Rune.welsh|Welsh]] | [[User_talk:Rune.welsh|&tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa;]] 17:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

== Date links ==

Since you have taken an interest in date links. Please be kind enough to vote for my [[Wikipedia_talk:Bots#Bobblebot|new bot application]]. [[User:Bobblewik|bobblewik]] 20:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

== John Paul II incomplete texts in Deus Caritas Est Encyclical ==

Hi, ALoan, I'm [[User:Cesarhvr|Cesarhvr]]. I read your comments about the John Paul II incomplete texts in Deus Caritas Est Encyclical where you say I can see the references based in a pontifical council, but I didn't see anything about it. Excuse my bad english (Perdona mi pésimo inglés). Greetings. [[User:Cesarhvr|Cesarhvr]]

:Thanks for the your comment, and greetings.  Your English is excellent, ¡mas mejor que mi Español!  I have added a new reference for this. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 10:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


== The mystery of the corrupt boxers ==

Would you like to give your opinion and a light copy edit here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Giano/Sand_box_2]. Thanks [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 16:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


== Of course it's an obelisk ==

I've given you a location what more do you want, it is a very useful structure belonging to one of Italy's mosy important [[Telecom Italia Mobile|companies]].  A great deal more useful than the others which in most cases just cause traffic obstructions. [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 18:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

:A concrete telecommunications mast?  It may be a "tall, thin, four-sided, tapering monument which ends in a pyramidal top" but I doubt it is monolithic (although most of the other modern ones aren't either, and most of the ancient ones are broken into several pieces too)... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
::*But it has a metal spire on top, similar to Vaticano (well quite similar) so it must be an obelisk.  You cannot be snobby about these things ALoan.  The Egyptians were building these things (perhaps) to comminicate with outer-space, we build them to communicate with each other - which is the more intelligent - and don't forget beauty is in the eye of the beholder! [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 18:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
::::You had better leave it in, it may be the last of an endangered architectural phenomena [http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/111/57.0.html] [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 18:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

==Bulbasaur: You asked...==
[[Bulbasaur]] comes to a page near you. ''Assuming you accept that the article could be featured, it would be interesting to know what you think should be added or changed. Compare [[Spoo]] for example.'' Spoo is an entirely differenct article from Bulbasaur. Not knowing spoo from...Adam, I can read the article and come out of it quite well versed in spoo. The concept of "food" being quite clear in advance helps. And that's all there is to it, "fictional food". With Bulbasaur, it is a fictional species, a Pokemon character, a game play element, a cartoon series character, a trading card... This I get from the first sentence. The article doesn't proceed to fill me in on much more than that. Knowing about powers and availability (grass?, poison?, trainers?) might as well be gibberish without context. A bunch of plot points tells me more about...what, exactly? Random mentione of a MacDonald's promo? Etc. The article is a (very) few bits of "fact" (children's books, that it appeared in manga,...). This is mostly MEANINGLESS to me unless I understand something about Pokemon. There is no general contextual information in this article, beside the fact that B is one of 386. You asked how I might structure this article... (and this is based on the little I picked up about Pokemon):

'''1.''' LEAD: Set it up. In the franchise, what are the main components? I gather in terms of popularity, sales, use, whatever, it's video game, trading cards, anime series. Make that clear (and make sure there's a following section on each). Throw in some general stats: "B is part of the $6 billion/yr Pokemon...". That's the main notability of this topic, so say it... (And don't bother with silly attempts to add stature by including incidental stuff from "CNN" and "Time" that aren't followed up in the article).

'''2.''' Describe Bulbasaur. Keep it neutral unless sourced. Don't link to photosyntheis and solar energy unless there's a reason. "B is a fictional species that looks like a cross between a..." Fine. Some info about when created, by whom, whether (like other cartoon characters), the design has changed, that sort of thing. This is a product description, so give me the basic specs... 

'''3.''' Supply a context: how does Bulbasaur fit into Pokemon? This for each of the main sections. 

'''For VG''', what is the BASIC Pokemon game play (that takes all of maybe three sentences, and is CRITICAL for being self-contained). Does a player use B in the first person role (do you play as B?) or is it some sort of tag-a-long critter? Do you attack people? Quest? Eat lucky charms? How does the game, and B in it, WORK? Then, if one must list all of the various powers, INTRODUCE THE SETTING. "There are three/eight/44 different types of Pokemon, with powers that offset each other. B is a...") Throw me (the poor reader) a bone. Introduce the generations before reeling off the details ("To date, five generations of...each being..." that sort of thing) '''For TV''', what is the series about? How does it connect to the VG and cards: "The anime is independent of the other..." or whatever. Clue me in. '''The trading cards''', perhaps the most mainstream publicized aspect: How does this work, and what is the B card's role? Are their rare cards and common ones... This doesn't take up much space, and with editing, the article could have all of this and be the same length...

'''4.''' "Real world" tie-in: Does Bulbasaur have an independent career (like Pikachu!)? IOW, spin-offs like movies, books (yes, two children's books), clothing line, action figures, etc. Is it a moneymaker on its own? Or just say, "While amongst fans B is one of the more popular of the 386 basic Pokemon, it is still just another character." It's OK to ADMIT that. Tell me, one way or another, don't make me GUESS. Here also a place for fluff/filler/interesting extras, like: The translated names ("Pokemon is available in 16 languages, each with a unique Bulbasaur translation..." A treat!) And so on...

'''5.''' Throw in a picture or two.

That's the BASICS. The article as it is now misses almost 100% on meaningful context, relies on often ridiculously transparent bits and pieces cobbled together to give importance (Livingstone, Time/CNN, MacDonald's promo,...), and is almost entirely based on a straight description of a video game character, and some appearances in a TV series. I'm not picking on this, it's truly bad, it is a parody of an FA, made more so by trying at all costs to conform to FA guidelines... You asked! :) (Thank whomever for archives, huh?!) Cheers... --[[User:Tsavage|Tsavage]] 01:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks - I asked because I was interested in your views on what would make the article better.  I will point [[User:Celestianpower]] to your reply as a starting point. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 11:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:: Well, I've had a go. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur&diff=41630703&oldid=41568225 diff]. Thanks for being reasonable once again (well, except for the last paragraph) - could you not have just said this as your objection at the FAC in the first place? --[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]]<font color="green">[[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|es]]</font>[[User:celestianpower|tianpower]] <sup>[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]</sup> 17:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

I saw the reference you put in [[Deus Caritas Est]], and I want to say thank you. I ask for that because in the Wikipedia in spanish I erased the part that said the second part of the encyclical is taked by incomplete texts of John Paul II, and I wanted check the references here. Thank you again. [[User:Cesarhvr|Cesarhvr]]
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==Chap behind [http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Obeliscus.html "Obeliscus"]==

Yes, that's me; only sort of, of course, since I&nbsp;merely transcribed it. Odds are though, if you've used that page for stuff, you've used [http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/home.html my site] fairly often. Best, [[User:Bill Thayer|Bill]] 12:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


== [[Matthew Brettingham]] FARC ==

Don't worry too much about it, it was nice of you to defend it, but I realised long ago that the FAs we all did a while back would be swept away by this hysteria for inline cites.  I know that the Matthew Brettingham article here is still the most complete article about him anywhere and that is what is important.  I even bought the one book on him (useless) to write it.  Of course I could go back and add the inline cites, but I don't think I choose too. Let the likes of "Miss Madeline" sweep away all we did before - but with what will she replace it I wonder! Yours ever [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 22:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

== Pop tarts and dusty old f*rts. ==

I want to be clear that, 1. I mean no insult to anyone who works on these subjects.  Some of the people, notably you, approach such subjects with all the care that any scholar approaches the driest of textual editions; 2. I try to live within the rules, and so, if the guidelines say "you can't object because of the subject matter," I don't, and that's why I have only entered the lists when the content has put such enormous restrictions on the article that it fails FAC in some other way; 3. I'm not interested in fighting the "delete the cruft" battle, especially there; 4. I know that it's a matter of ''some'' perspective (one person's fascination with dead land surveyors vs. another person's fascination with choo-choo trains vs. another person's fascination with a pivotal fiction in his or her life), but I hope that all sides can agree that it's not ''just'' a matter of perspective, that there are ways of marking observable lines between rich and poor veins in the mine to strike.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 15:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

==More concise references==
Hi, ALoan, it's nice of you to take care of the referencing system for Giano's master pugilist/murderer/homicide victim, but I'm a bit worried about the look of the thing now. Are you sure that heavy peppering of non-consecutive note numbers throughout the text, and that non-alphabetical reference list, are an acceptable price to pay for doing without a separate list of footnotes? (The one I started has disappeared.) It sure wouldn't be in an academic text, in fact I've ''never'' seen non-consecutive note numbers used anywhere else than at Wikipedia. They're weird and distracting AFAIC. Note, also, that having a separate note list would enable the references list to be just as concise as yours, only a lot easier to find your way about in, because it could be alphabetical, as well as being without that distracting abc effect. (I'm writing to you rather than Giano because he's always letting it be understood that he's too soulful to discuss footnotes.) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|ノート]] 18:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC).

:Um, well, I removed the separate lists because the footnotes ended up containing most of the references anyway - they could be separated out again.  The note numbers are in numerical order - that is how footnotes usually work, no?  I see what you mean about alphabetical references, though, but I'm not sure what can be done about that. I'm sorry you don't like it :( -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 22:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
::They're in numerical order in the list at the bottom of the page, you mean? Sure. I meant that in the text, the note numbers go 1, 2, 2, 3, 2, 4, and so on. That's what I'm not happy to see; I like to see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Also, I like to see fewer note numbers in the text. Did you notice my suggestion, when I started the two separate lists, that they would make it possible to cut down on the number of notes in the text quite drastically (by replacing them with parenthetic references or just mentions, of, say "Anderson", since the link to Anderson's text is in the references list, and easy to find because alphabetized)? IMO it's ''in the text'' that an excess of notes are distracting, ugly, giving an off-putting faux-learned appearance, and so on; the reader-friendliness of the text, that the reader will actually read, is a bigger deal than the length of the lists at the bottom of the page, that readers are free to ignore, and that many probably will be happy to ignore. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|ノート]] 09:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC).

:::Well, I suppose it depends on whether you think the superscipt numbers are footnotes or citation of references.  If they are footnote, then yes they should go in ascending numerical order (1, 2, 3, etc).  But if they are citations of references, and the same reference is cited more than once, then surely (IME) you should use the same reference each time (1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 3, 2, 1, 4, etc), no?  Perhaps Harvard style would be better, although I'm not sure how you cite a website in Harvard style. I understand where you are coming from, though...-- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 10:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Lets leave them as they are - so long as you ALoan promise to maintain them, as they are far too complicated for me, I have not dared even to press the edit button to see how you have acheived this wonder - I just feel it in my waters.  Once this page is finished, I would like you all to help me hone it up on compelling prose, amazing fetes (that's not the right fete is it?) of grammar, and then lets throw it on to FAC (I should be more than welcome there!!!) and see what the comment on inline cites are, and then see if some form of policy can be agreed, because at the moment no-one knows if we are on foot or horseback. Keep smiling ALoan at leat it's not boring here! (However, did you come to keep such complany as me) [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 11:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

==Criterion 2a==
Never mind that stuff, though, have you seen that Giano is FARCing all his FAs? After Tony's input on [[Matthew Brettingham]], I can't say I blame him. You and your wikilove. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|ノート]] 09:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC).

== More Gresham ==

Hi, ta for tabling Gresham Astrons. Did you find my comments above, asking you to check out various trial versions at [[User:JackyR/sandbox]]? Cheers, [[User:JackyR|JackyR]] 13:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

:I put a lot of work into implementing ''your'' idea for a project, and you don't even have the courtesy to reply. As it happens, I'm not convinced by your table design (how does it improve on, say, a well-set-out list?). If you won't discuss it, I'll simply do my own thing with all of these articles. [[User:JackyR|JackyR]] 16:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

== Marriage? ==

No I'm not proposing - are we talking about marriage a la mode or metaphorically about something else? [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 12:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
::Probably Geogre's - I always have assumed they were a cynical view of the moires and behaviour of upper class behaviour of that time.  I expect impoverished earls did marry their sons to the daughters of tradespeople and the like, but the daughters as bourgeois would have been less likely to tale lovers than genuine members of the upper classes.  So I would think the first half of the story arranging the marriage and it's subsequent unhappiness is possibly based on something the artist knew of, but the second with the lover, hanging and suicide were wishful thing on Hogarth's apart; also I think as in other upper class culture of Europe while the husband could be unfaithful, the wife usually had to have a couple of legitimate children before she started producing cuckoos.  Hogarth's couple had not yet had children.  That's my view. [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 13:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

== arxiv ==

hello,
there was a link at the bottom of the arxiv.org article, about censorship.
check it and put back my contribution :-)