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== Unblocked ==
I discussed with Cyde regarding his indefinite block of you, but he hasn't responded. So I've unblocked you (based on your promise not to post any more copyvios or argue over fair use, and your apology). --[[User talk:Duk|Duk]] 17:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you Duk, I will not abuse your trust. It you are ever elected for super-admin, or whatever comes after admin, you have my vote. :)
:I will keep a low profile for several months and not rock the boat at all--avoiding conflict with others at all costs. Regarding fair use, it is a taboo subject forever.
:I archived everything here: [[User_talk:Travb/Archive_4|4]], if this is a problem for anyone, please let me know.[[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 17:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::I find it sad that for you to come back your had to give up your voice in the fair use issue. Know that there are some of us out there that agree with you in many ways (maybe not in all). It is really sad what wikipedia is going to end up been if people like you are blocked. [[User:Cjrs 79|Cjrs 79]] 22:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks [[User:Cjrs 79|Cjrs 79]], I saw you were one of the only people who signed up for my fair use page before it got deleted (one of two articles that have been deleted in the past month--and one of probably 6 articles I made which will be deleted this month). I am really fine with this arrangement right now. Talk to [[User:Noles1984]], he has some of the same POV and has not agreed to stop.[[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 01:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I agree that the issuaton is verry sad, However fair use is not worth the the time and [[M:Wikistress|stress]] so you should feel your responsibily to push this issue has been lifted. Consider this the gift of an indefinate [[Wikipedia:Wikiholiday|Wikibreak]] that will allow you to set asside the Fair use Stress becose your obligaions have been lifted. Enough other users will take up your fight. However i don't see the harm in writing one [[:Category:Wikipedia_essays|essay]] on the matter with [[Template:Essay]]. If the essay is on your userspace and you only talk on that page then i see no distrupton to wikipidia. However due to you promis you shoul get the goahad of another Admin before you start such a page. Other users can refine or comment on you essay and if it is properly taed it shouldn't end up deleted as long as it is specifically about wikipidia philosophy. If you were to creat such an essay it is a good idea to link to see also and contra (Oposing views). It would also be a great way to call ateention to secific issues at hand. I would serch through the existing esssays first and i might creat one myself being you may be unable to write one yourself--[[User:Yskyflyer|E-Bod]] 01:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::::[[Wikipedia:Image copyright issues for dummies]] Explains our Copyright Policy. However I am really sorry for bringing up this soar issue. If you need to say someting but aren't allowed to say it on Wikipidia you can allway say it off wikipiida using E-mail [[Special:Emailuser/Yskyflyer|E-mail me]]--[[User:Yskyflyer|E-Bod]] 01:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for your comments and suggestions, I have lost interest in this for now. The whole ordeal soured me a little bit to wikipedia. But if I do decide to look at this again, I will get admin permission first, and use some of your really excellent ideas. [[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 01:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
==Democratic peace theory==
If contributions to [[Democratic peace theory]] have been deleted, it is likely to be Ultramarine's doing; he's deleted almost all the contributions by third parties to the article: he Knows the Truth, you see. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 18:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:I will respond on your talk page later.[[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 21:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
===Possible exceptions===
I'm sorry to see you think that. Worse than Ultramarine is a damning accusation indeed. This is substantially the same article that has been twice deleted (against my voice to begin with) as irreparably POV; I object to recreation of this cruft. If you think it can be salvaged, it is now a section of [[Democratic peace theory]], or was the last time I looked. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 17:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:My discussions with Ultramarine on the merits of this article can be found in the archives of [[Talk:Democratic peace theory]], and perhaps more availably in [[Talk:Never at War]]. How often should one have to debate the same fringe position? [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 17:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::[[User:Pmanderson]] I may be completly wrong about my intial feelings, it wouldn't be the first time. I am new to [[DPT]].
::Many of my own pages I have created been voted for deletion, most of them have lost, so I have very strong feelings about this issue.
::My initial reaction is that I see Ultramarine's contributions as beneficial--again--I may be completly wrong. Best wishes.[[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 18:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Let me know the next time one of your pages is on AfD, and I'll see what I can do.
:::The problem with Ultramarine is this: he writes one-sided articles, he quotes his sources selectively (I think this may be a genuine reading difficulty, possibly that he is not a native speaker of English), and he continuously and implacably reverts any effort to edit what he has written - by anyone, not just me. I have discussed the issue of possible wars at enormous length; and this article contains the ''same'' question-begging and polemical phrases as Ultramarine's writing on the subject a year ago. (In short, I don't dislike the article because Ultramarine wrote it; I dislike Ultramarine because he writes articles like that.) [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 19:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::::''Let me know the next time one of your pages is on AfD, and I'll see what I can do. ''
::::Thanks man.
::::MY POV is completly opposite from Ultramarine. I will have to be neutral in this because I am not familar with your past dealings.
::::I added a little to [[DPT]] and he changed it, adding a rebutal, but at least he kept the info in the article.
::::I have found the best way to debate anyone on wikipedia is outsource them. Become an expert on [[DPT]]. Outsource him. Read everything that he does, and insist that all sides of the studies be included.
:::::I did; he vandalized it anyway. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 21:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I think deleting something you don't agree with on wikipedia procedural grounds is a cop out. As I mentioned on your talk page, I hate when ppl do this.
::::''My discussions with Ultramarine on the merits of this article can be found in the archives of [[Talk:Democratic peace theory]], and perhaps more availably in [[Talk:Never at War]]. How often should one have to debate the same fringe position? ''
::::I don't know, that is between you and Ultramarine. You can call a RfC if you like.[[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 21:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::This has been through RfC, mediation, and ArbCom. I am leaving it alone, except for this, and hoping the wiki process will take over. I have tried NPOV'ing Ultramarine; for the results, see the archives and edit history of DPT. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 21:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::In that case, I will try to stay out of this, you know more about this than I ever will, or care to know. The more I learn about Ultra, the less it seems we have in common, and the less sympathetic I am to his cause. I won't retract my "strong keep" vote (it doesn't matter anyway), but I will stay out of this debate as much as possible.[[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 21:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
==Fleetwood Mack==
Are you a Fleetwood Mack fan? [[User:TDC|Torturous Devastating Cudgel]] 22:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hey man, been a long time since we talked, what is the punch line? Answer: No. [[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 04:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:: No punchline, just curious. [[User:TDC|Torturous Devastating Cudgel]] 18:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:::No I am not a fan, I still dont get it :( [[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 01:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
== Google Desktop ==
[[Google Desktop]] can be used to retrieve Older Versions of Files. First you need to search for the file you want. In the results the file you want has a link, an extract with quoted text. a text link (Normally with the online Google search the link brings you to Google that records your click and then redirects you to your sight.) a cached link and a date.
Click the cached link at the bottom and if it has # cached where the number is more than one it will Give you an option to chose which version you want to see. If it was latter deleted or revised you can still find earlier versions that you have vied. If you are writing a word document you may get a few different versions showing different steps you took. A thumbnail screenshot of the page is included in the choices of caches.--[[User:Yskyflyer|E-Bod]] 01:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
== Vote ==
Thanks for pointing this out. I have added the "Strong Keep".[[User:Ultramarine|Ultramarine]] 18:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:Sorry it looks like it is going to be deleted.[[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 01:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
==Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Possible wars between liberal democracies 2==
Please review my comments responding to your vote. I think you are under a misunderstanding as to the role of Wikipedia. [[User:172|172]] | [[User talk:172|Talk]] 21:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:I had a long rebuttal on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Possible wars between liberal democracies 2]] but I deleted it. I would rather just go our seperate ways. [[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 21:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)All content in the above text box is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license Version 4 and was originally sourced from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=57093446.
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