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[[Talk:User:Stevertigo Archive 1]]

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I’m not emotionally “attached” to that article, if that’s what you’re insinuating. I simply disagreed with the redirect for the above reasons. I welcome all changes that are constructive.   

[[User:172|172]]


yes, I am not ready to impute bad faith to anyone, I think he was trying to archive some part of the article and messed up.  Let's see.[[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]

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Mea culpa. I was doing an archival move when someone entered the page, so when I tried to save, it wouldn't let me, when it did, your last comment was missing. I went back to an earlier version and saved that to restore your comments. The earlier stuff was transferred to the archive page, to make more room as the page at that stage was full. Your missing bit should be back. Apologies, [[User:Jtdirl|JTD]] 01:10 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)

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It seems quite a few Wiki people are annoyed at your tone and antics. A queue of people at this stage have emailed me telling me (a) to ignore you, and (b) that if you try to 'vandalise' the page (their words) they will keep reverting and reverting. The pity is, I was told at the start that you were a sane sort of guy, albeit with the odd chip on your shoulder. On Ireland, it must be one hell of a chip! So calm down. Abuse and insults gets you nowhere. I'm too busy to waste my time bothering on pointless arguments. But you would do well to learn your Irish history, if you want to debate it. [[User:Jtdirl|JTD]] 01:34 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)

- JDT, I frankly find it ironic that you start this whole mess calling my editing (of your crappy, toryist, biased article) to some semblance of NPOV, - as ignorant, and a "2-year olds understanding of history", though dozens of people disagree with you. Now, you tell me that "insults get you nowhere". 

You indeed are a revisionist, and an apologist for sheep-loving, [[Boston tea party]] hating, conformist loyalists, who cant break from your pride for two seconds to accept a thank you, when you read one. You indeed, sir are a P.A., and no communication between us is further necessary. - 

signed ever so sincerely, 
   Steven, Your Mom.
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David Peat when he worked for the National research Council of Canada measured the acceleration due to gravity in very deep mine shafts controlling for all known variables and never came up with the same number twice. He was using the best scientific methodology available and this is what his accurate measurement taught him.[[User:Two16|Two16]] 01:10 Jan 10, 2003 (UTC)

Thank for guns germs and steel looks very interestesting . Do you know Rats, Lice, and History. [[User:Two16|Two16]] 01:17 Jan 10, 2003 (UTC)

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Sv, could you please clarify, in simple language even I could understand, whether you object to the deletion of [[Grain of salt/Poetic interpretations]] and [[Grain of salt (philosophical interpretations)]]? (As you will recall, they are just redirects to pages in your user space.) If you ''don't'' object, I'd like to add this information to the votes for deletion page, which currently seems to show more conflict between us (RE these pages) than actually exists. Thanks. --[[User:Ryguasu|Ryguasu]] 06:38 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

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Sv, perhaps I overreacted on [[Talk:Nature versus nurture]]. You have a style of writing that, at least for me, is rather ambiguous, and the sum total of your ambiguous comments directed at me has left me with the impression that you find yourself superior to me and disapprove of most of my edits. Naturally, this makes it a little hard for me to look at you and yours in the best possible light.

I hope this is just one of those misunderstandings that inevitably arise in text-only communication, and that we can clear away any brewing animosity. What do you think? --[[User:Ryguasu|Ryguasu]]

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Sv, it seems you wrote a nice [[Rape of Nanjing]] page, but there is already
a [[Nanjing Massacre]] page, and from that a reference to the book.  Perhaps 
you could just merge any additional details from your page into the existing
articles and then redirect it to the Nanjing Massacre? [[User:Frank Warmerdam]].

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I'm afraid that down under, Labour is spelt with a 'u'. So the name of the article is wrongly spelt. My comment wasn't meant to be anti-American though.[[User:Arno|Arno]]

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I don't understand your behavior in mucking up the Irish famine page? I studied history, including a detailed famine course run in Seattle. The page is exactly the history I was taught. It also matches many of the books I have read on the topic since. I don't understand your disrespect to the Irish and their famine dead. (My great-great grandfather died in the famine, along with two of his children. ) I am based in Ireland now as a computer program consultant. I don't think your views would be taken very seriously here. Why are you doing this? I just don't understand your behavior and think it wrong. Are you working to some sort of left-wing anti-British agenda or do you not know Irish history very well? [[User:DouglasH|DuggieH]]

I understand what happens, when one hits the wrong button.It happens to everybody. Sometimes it is a disaster.

To be very honest the edit war started, and I didn't tune in to '''what''' was changing' cause an edit war is ---well who cares? JTL was unreasonable in his actions to me, he wasn't responding to any take on discouse that I might offer finally

This is a C.C.of post I sent to a wikipedian about the edit war:

Of  course the  article has gone down hill, there is an edit war going on! I touched the page once(to remove irony qoutes from around genocide). What kind of mind thinks in those terms? 'Irony quotes'. He can see the error of his ways( he doesn't do it, anymore.) It's a suckers game to edit that page. Imho, I have some credibility because I haven't posted; ''I've subracted mark-up.''Some people have lost credibility from their posts. Some people from their talk. Some from their archiving.Some from their logical fallacies. Some for their gutteral language. More than one for their prejudice. Its not the first edit war I've sat through. They don't understand ''replies to critics''. I'm a Canadain: why don't you go and read my posts in talk. 
[[User:64.229.8.177|64.229.8.177]] It's all day breakfast all winter long.

C.C. ends.
Thought you might be like to smile  @ this again:
 
I can't say for sure what was on the other pages and doctoring histories serves no moral good; but what I see here is anything but '''propagandistic gibberish'''. I don't have to ask what he was doing. It SHOUTTED at me. Stevertigo has delivered an object lesson in communication that will humble you: make you embrace Wikipedian ethos. 

I wrote this poem in the style of John Robert Columbo:(an obvious choice for a  Canadain  to dispense ''poetic justice'' ) 
:: ===By His Own Petard: Well Hung=== 
: It is my belief,
: '''perhaps more than a strong belief,'''
: of npov supression,
: through '''a deliberate policy''' of man
: Surely there must be another view?
: Perhaps ignorance, a common enough sight.  
: Eureka!
: Ignorance blind must be the cause,   
: 'cause SHOUTTED in his eyes
: was '''POV nonsense.''' named:   
* '''bogus'''  <font color=red>pov</font>
* ''among the '''fake''' Irish - living abroad''' <font color=red>pov</font>
* '''patently false'''  <font color=red>pov</font>
: It would have been ideal to run directly underneath JTL's post. I simply cannot believe that he reposted your guerilla attack. It is one thing for '''you''' to say he sees nothing wrong. It is quite a different thing for him to him to show that he had absolutely no conception of npov because because he saw nothing.   What a maroon!  .
* '''bogus'''  <font color=red>pov</font>
* ''among the '''fake''' Irish - living abroad''' <font color=red>pov</font>
* '''patently false'''  <font color=red>pov</font>
Doesn't mav get it:he defended the article. What kind of maroon is that?
What is the chance that JTL will:  
* '''Study npov: Ingrain it.''' 
* '''Study logical fallacy''' ''(and  then he won't make them).'' 
* '''Read those posts''' '' or they will trip him up.''
before he embarrasses himself.
Accepting that over time articles will tend towards npov, the process can be accelerated by studying npov.If every wikipedian struggled with npov and their belief in their own npov....
                            
[[User:64.229.8.177|64.229.8.177]] timed out very late. the lure of sleep let thizzzzzzzz  wait till later

I appreciate the support 64... you might choose to create an identity here... It helps communication ... as for mav, well, i dont think he's a maroon- spread thin, certainly- hes everywhere, and some of us doubt the human capacity of anyone to read absolutely everything that he gets involved with - but somebodys got to break up fights... though in all fairness, i dont think he's without faults -nor am i.  - my edits - adding the "Bogus" "super" and other adjectives, i did only for the time that i rewrote the genocide section. yes, then Jay calls the real work 'vandalism" and so on... ''Jay, on the other hand, is quite a horse's ass, but I'm not supposed to say that without ''reprisal''...  You,re entirely right 64...
-[[User:Stevertigo|Sv]]

Not moron, '''maroon''' was once a common name for a sports team. Montreal Maroons won the Stanley Cup in 1924. Pretty sure 24. 
===Maroon==
'''Maroon''' is both a gentler and more complex an adjective than moron. The uniforms of any team named '''Maroon''' are a beautiful scarlet. Scarlet gets deeper, darker, richer,'''brighter''' when wet with sweat or water. This makes Maroons excellent subjects for sports photography. It's downside is most often seen during High School basketball season: any player so incautious as to not ''shake'' after his pre-game 'relief' will find his urine stain visible in the highest bleacher. If you are a starting player there is no place to hide.

Well that sure was fun to write. '''Encyclopedia''' is a genre of Literature and I've been practicing. :-)

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It certainly is ''literature,'' judging by a lot of entries I see, Two16.-[[User:Stevertigo|Stevert]]

Well done on the split, Sv. Can I suggest a similar split in the draft version, because it too runs into the original problem for some browsers. The talk page is also too big for many browsers; I've had a number of messages from people saying that they cannot access it. If I enter it to archive it, my browser ''may'' chop off the bottom and I don't want to risk it. [[User:Jtdirl|JTD]] 23:55 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)