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Salutations! <br>This is my current talk page.  
==Archive==
*Messages from [[October 26]], [[2004]] to [[November 10]], [[2004]] are at  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive5]].
*Messages from [[October 1]], [[2004]] to [[October 25]], [[2004]] are at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive4]].
*Messages from [[September 21]], [[2004]] to [[September 30]], [[2004]] are at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive3]].
*Messages from [[September 1]], [[2004]], to [[September 21]], [[2004]] are archived at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive2]].
*Older messages are at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive1]].

== Newcomer Award ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:ClockworkTroll]]:''' <br>
Salve, Clockwork! <br>
Came across your poll for an award for newcomers and have voted in the affirmative.  My comment: " '''Support absolutely'''. One of the frustrating aspects of Wikipedia is one so rarely hears anything positive about one's work.  People finding fault--and I'm including myself--are quick to speak up.  I think any encouragement that could be given for good work is worth doing."   Ave![[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:34, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)  ''(Comment originally posted at [[Talk:Barnstar#Proposed_award]])''
*I agree entirely! A little recognition of a job well done goes a ''long'' way. [[User:ClockworkTroll|ClockworkTroll]] 22:28, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Vandalism Report ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Meelar]]:''' <br>
Salve, Meelar! <br>There's a weird message at the top of [[WP:RD]] about Diebold stealing the presidential election.  I tried editing the page to delete it, but it isn't visible in the source code.  Could you take a look?  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:50, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
:*Meelar, when I went to look at the Reference Desk, the message had disappeared.  I was looking at [[Wikipedia:Cleanup]] and found it there.  I cut and pasted the text from the page as displayed, but once more it doesn't show in the source code.  The message reads:  "Breaking news: Walden o'Dell, CIO of Diebold arrested for rigging the Ohio election results! Kerry recognized as the rightful Present Of the United States!"  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:00, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted at [[Wikipedia:Help desk]]:''' <br>
Is anyone else seeing the message "Breaking news: Walden o'Dell, CIO of Diebold arrested for rigging the Ohio election results! Kerry recognized as the rightful Present Of the United States!"  It was at the top of [[WP:RD]] but when I went to edit it out it wasn't visible in the source code, then it vanished from the display.  Likewise, I found it atop the [[Wikipedia:Cleanup]] but it wasn't in the source code.  How could something show up on a page and not be in the source code?  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:03, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

'''Reply posted at [[Wikipedia:Help desk]]:''' <br>
By being in the wikisource to a template the page included. The vandalism was to [[Template:Shortcut]], and can be seen in its history. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|&#9998;]] 18:36, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'''Reply posted at [[User talk:Cyrius]]:''' <br>
Salve, Cyrius! <br>Thanks very much for your reply on [[WP:RD]] re the vandalism to the shortcut template.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:47, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

== Sorry About That Chief ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Deb]]:''' <br>
Salve, Deb! <br>Sorry to see so few sympathized with you wanting to protect your user page.  Don't understand how that could be so controversial.  But so much that goes on this world is a mystery to me.  <br>Saw [[Shania Twain]]'s new video for her song "Party for Two", which is shot in London for some reason.  (The [[Royal Albert Hall]] serves as a backdrop to one sequence.) That made me wonder, is country music popular in Britain?  And by country, I mean real country music, e.g. [[Patsy Cline]], [[Hank Williams, Jr.]], [[Marty Robbins]], [[Buck Owens]], [[Lester Flatt]] and [[Earl Scruggs]], et alia.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:27, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

'''Reply of [[User:Deb]]:''' <br>
Gosh, I don't know.  I know there are plenty of people who like it over here (I'm afraid I'm not one of them), but whether the stuff they like would qualify as "real" country, I don't know. I have certainly heard of the people you mention, but I'm not sure how big they are in the UK. [[User:Deb|Deb]] 13:12, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== I've been nominated ==

I just wanted to drop you a quick note to say that I've been nominated for adminship. Since you've been unfortunate enough to have dealings with me, I thought you might want to see what was going on there: [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ClockworkTroll]].

Many thanks, [[User:ClockworkTroll|ClockworkTroll]] 07:44, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== How to encourage someone to check a fact? ==
'''Discussion posted on [[WP:HD]]:''' <br>
Twice yesterday, this newbie noticed facts in articles that may or may not be correct. I can't find out the correct version myself, but someone should. What's the correct way of dealing with things like that?

Specifically, the article on [[Camille Pissarro]] claims both that he died on 12th November and 13th November. And the article on [[Ellis Island]] used to say that it closed on 12th November but now says that it closed on 29th November. In both cases, I tried to find out the correct date from other web pages, but I found both versions were stated about equally commonly.

I tried posting on the articles' talk pages, but I'm not sure if anyone reads those. Is that the correct place, or is there another location where I could usefully post such questions?

Thanks for any guidance. [[User:Stephen Turner|Stephen Turner]] 14:38, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

*The talk page is indeed the first place to start as anyone who has the underlying article on his watch list will be alerted to the presence of additions to the talk page.  Be sure that you give it an edit summary that will prompt someone to read your query, something like:  "Two Contradictory Death Dates in Article" or some such thing.  Another good place for this is our reference desk at [[WP:RD]], which is seen by a lot of people who know about many topics.  I'm copying your question there now.  Glad to have you aboard.  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:10, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

== Ago Gratias ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Cvaneg]]:''' <br>
Salve, Cvaneg!<br>Thanks for your replies re the [[World Series Trophy]] and [[Josh Steiner]].  As soon as I saw the name it clicked that was correct--I just couldn't think of it before.  Many thanks and I hope I can be of service to you in the future.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:48, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

== U.S. embargo against Cuba ==

You voted for [[U.S. embargo against Cuba]], this week's [[Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week|Collaboration of the week]].  Please come and help it become a [[Wikipedia:Featured_articles|featured]]-[[Wikipedia:What is a featured article|standard]] article.

== Declined Nominations ==

Salve, Uninvited Company! <br>I noticed your list of those who've declined nominations at [[Wikipedia: List of administrators]] and wonder if I should be listed.  In September, I asked [[User:Deb|Deb]] to nominate me, she did, I accepted, then I withdrew after strong criticism.  Strictly speaking, I did accept, but the nomination was neither supported nor defeated.  So should I be on that list?  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:01, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

: As you are probably aware, I am systematically going through a list of users who may merit adminship and nominating those who appear to have been overlooked.  My purpose in creating and maintaining the list of declined nominations is chiefly to have a means to respect the wishes of those who would otherwise qualify but do not wish to be nominated.  If you would number yourself among them, you may add your name to the list.  [[User:UninvitedCompany|uc]] 19:26, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== News and the Public Domain ==
'''Posted at [[User talk:Mjklin]]:''' <br>
Salve, Mjklin! <br>
Saw your question about the news being in the public domain and I've posted a rather lengthy reply at [[Wikipedia:Reference_desk#Is_news_public_domain.3F]].  Hope this helps.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:11, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC) <br>
'''Posted at [[WP:RD]] by [[User:Mjklin]]:''' <br>
It seems from the [[public domain]] article that facts are in the public domain, but reporting of them may not be.  A news agency might do a lot of work to collect some news and expect just compensation.  So how is it that news stories can be "picked up" by competing agencies, e.g., the [[Associated Press]] picking up a story in a local newspaper?  Isn't that local news story under copyright?  Is there a fee involved or some sort of professional agreement?  Thanks. [[User:Mjklin|Mjklin]] 15:10, 2004 Nov 16 (UTC)

'''Posted at [[WP:RD]]'''<br>
Just yesterday, The [[Cincinnati Enquirer]] carried an AP story from [[Akron, Ohio]] about a big series on home-schooling the Akron Beacon Journal is doing this week.  The AP routinely moves stories that tell everyone else what is being reported on.  One reason is to let editors know there's something they might want to get reprint rights on.  <br>Now as for a story being picked up by the AP, one of the conditions of membership, is that the AP is entitled to exclusive rights to distribute breaking local news.  So if a plane crashes in Seattle, the AP could pick up everything the Post-Intelligencer and the Times wrote and every AP subscriber would be free to use it.  This does not apply to where a paper's bureaus elsewhere break a story, investigative reports, columns, reviews, and the like.  (Thought syndication deals often exist for this material, just not through the AP.)<br>Facts'' are'' in the public domain.  And for an older Associated Press story you needn't worry so much about infringement because the story has gone stale.  However, the AP and others have won court cases--I don't have the citations at hand--where radio and television stations who weren't subscribers simply rephrased AP stories and put them on the air; these precedents are from the 1920s and 1930s.  The courts have reasoned that if everyone were allowed to piggyback on the AP's labor then nobody would go into the business of newsgathering and there would be no news since everyone decided to be a freerider rather than a subscriber.  The Toledo Blade newspaper got a settlement from a tv station a couple years ago that was basically reading the morning paper on the air.  <br>Again, I don't have the citations, but a long time ago--in the 19th century, I believe--the courts ruled you couldn't copyright information such as stock quotes, commodities prices, prices quoted on merchandise, etc., notwithstanding the disclaimers you see today on Bloomberg and CNBC.  <br>As for the workings of the AP, it is a non-profit memership co-operative.  Every general interest daily newspaper in America (there are around 1,500) is a member plus some college and weekly papers.  Their fees are determined on circulation, so USA Today (circulation 2 million) pays a lot more than The Battle Creek Enquirer (circulation 9,000). (This is how rates for features such as comics and columns are determined, a small paper might only pay a couple dollars a week for them.) Broadcasters, internet sites, and others can subscribe to the AP, but the service is run primarily for the benefit of the newspapers.  Back in the 1920's the AP resisted letting radio subscribe until it realized the cash cow it could be and now the income from broadcasters and the rest is icing on the cake.  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:08, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

== RN ==

'''Posted at [[User talk:Func]]:''' <br>
Salve, Func! <br>Thanks for your help on the reference desk question I posted in regards to [[Richard Nixon]].  I've added some quotes and moved the whole thing to [[Talk:Richard_Nixon#Richard_Nixon_on_November_22.2C_1963]].  Ave atque vale! [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:40, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

'''Discussion originally at [[WP:RD]], now at [[Talk:Richard Nixon]]:''' <br>
The [[Richard Nixon]] article mentions he was in [[Dallas, Texas]] the day [[John F. Kennedy]] was killed, speaking to the Coca-Cola Bottlers covention.  I thought it was the Pepsi bottlers--can anyone confirm?  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:48, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

:Wasn't he on the grassy knol-- um, nevermind. ;-) [[User:Func|<tt>func</tt>]][[User_talk:Func|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 05:17, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:Yes, yes, yes. I've just looked throughly into this, it was Pepsi, not Coke. I'll change it in the article. [[User:Func|<tt>func</tt>]][[User_talk:Func|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 15:32, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
::Can you write up a proper reference and [[Wikipedia:Cite_sources|cite]] that point please? Thanks - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] 20:43, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

There are hundreds of sites connecting Nixon to a Pepsi-related meeting in Dallas. Now admittedly, many of these sites have a credibility problem, in that they are conspiracy-related, (the whole JFK thing). However, many of these sites have the same supposed direct quote from Nixon:

:''I attended the Pepsi Cola convention [ in Dallas ]and left on Friday morning. November 22, from Love Field. Dallas, on a flight back to New York , . . . on arrival in New York we caught a cab and headed for the city the cabbie missed a turn somewhere and we were off the highway . . . a woman came out of her house screaming and crying. I rolled down the cab window to ask what the matter was and when she saw my face she turned even paler. She told me that John Kennedy had just been shot in Dallas,"

Nixon is said to have made the above quote in a November 1973 issue of Esquire magazine.

Nixon appearently had a very good relationship with Pepsi because of the "[[kitchen debate]] (at [http://pepsi.com/ads_and_history/legacy/1960/1959.php pepsi], it seems that Nixon and Khrushchev shared a Pepsi together, or something), and it seems that Nixon was a representive for Pepsi's law firm, given as "Mudge, Rose, Nixon et al".

Here are some sources with better credibility:

[[Washington Times]]:
	http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031120-121736-4309r.htm

[[Paul Kangas]] essay:
	http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

As far as ''proper citing'' goes, I'm afraid I have been out of school too long to remember the appropriate [[APA_style|APA]] or [[The Chicago Manual of Style]] bibliographic formats. ;-)

[[User:Func|<tt>func</tt>]][[User_talk:Func|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 21:36, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:What the...? Why don't we have an article on Paul Kangas??? [[User:Func|<tt>func</tt>]][[User_talk:Func|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 21:38, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*Nixon was Vice President at the time of the "Kitchen Debate" in [[1958]].  [[Jonathan Aitken]] writes in ''Nixon:  A Life'' (Washington: Regnery, 1993) at p. 262 that "[[Don Kendall]] became a lifelong Nixon friend and financial backer.  He was on the verge of being fired from his job of President of Pepsi Cola International  . . . for having wasted too much money and time on Pepsi's investment in the Moscow exhibitionion.  However, after Nixon and Krushchev had been photographed drinking Pepsi together on the stand, the corporation's directors were so delighted with the impact on their sales (their advertising slogan 'Be Sociable, Have a Pepsi' was given the twist 'Krushchev Learns to Be Sociable') that Kendall survived and was eventually promoted to the chairmanship of Pepsico.  He liked to say, 'I owe my career to Nixon and the Kitchen Debate.' "  I read somewhere years ago that Coke was shut out of the Soviet Union for decades, but Pepsi was available because Kruschev had liked it.<br>After losing the [[1962]] election, Nixon moved to [[New York City]] and joined the Mudge, Stern, Baldwin, and Todd law firm, which was renamed Nixon, Mudge, Rose, Guthrie, and Alexander.  Don Kendall then steered Pepsi's legal business to Nixon, Mudge. <br>Had I bothered to check Nixon's own memoirs ''RN'' (New York:  Grosset and Dunlap, [[1978]]) I would have found it was a Pepsi board of directors meeting he was attending in Dallas on [[November 22]], [[1963]].  Nixon writes (p. 252) "Early on the morning of [[November 22]] on the way to the Dallas airport I aw the flags displayed along the motorcade route for the presidential visit.  Arriving in New York, I hailed a cab home.  We drove through [[Queens]] toward the [[59th Street Bridge]], and as we stopped at a traffic light, a man rushed over from the curb and started talking to the driver.  I heard him say, 'Do you have a radio in your cab?  I jhust heard that Kennedy was shot.'  We had no radio, and as we continued into Manhattan a hundred thoughts rushed through my mind.  The man could have been crazy or a macabre prankster.  He could have been mistaken about what he heard; or perhaps a gunman might have shot at Kenneddy but missed or only wounded him.  I refused to believe that he could have been killed.<br>"As the cab drew up in front of my building, the doorman ran out.  Tears were streaming down his cheeks.  'Oh, Mr. Nixon, have you heard, sir?' he asked.  'It's just terrible.  They've killed President Kennedy.' " Nixon lived at 810 Fifth Avenue and when he called [[J. Edgar Hoover]] that afternoon, Hoover say "it was a Communist" who had done it. <br>Thanks, Func, for your help. [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:08, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted by [[User:Func]]:''' <br>
Glad I could help. :) [[User:Func|<tt>func</tt>]][[User_talk:Func|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 21:18, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

==Daemon Machina==
''N.B.  [[User:ClockworkTroll]] received objections to his name when he was a candidate for adminship.  So he had a contest for a new name:  [[User talk:ClockworkTroll/Name the Admin]].  I submitted two entries, one of which is below:'' <br>
*A Latin translation of your existing handle.  My ''Brewer's Dictionary'' says ''troll'' is Old Norse for '' demon'', which is ''daemon'' in Latin.  And ''machina'' is ''mechanized'' or ''contrived'' (as in ''deus ex machina'').  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:41, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC) <br>
''Clockwork named me 3d runner up, not bad:'' <br>
# '''Daemon Machina''', submitted by [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] (''3rd Runner Up'')

''His new name is [[User:ClockworkSoul]], a fine choice.''

'''Posted on [[User talk:ClockworkSoul]]:''' <br>
Salve, Clockwork! <br>I didn't vote for it, but I laughed when I read the comments on your new name.  Congrats on it and for the contest in general, which spurred the most interesting (and cordial) debate I've seen so far here.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:10, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

==Stylebook==
'''Posted on [[User talk:Acsenray]]:''' <br>
Salve, Acesnray! <br> Haven't seen you much lately.  Hope all is well along the Potomac.  Your changes to [[Bob McEwen]] and a couple other articles popped up on my watchlist and I noticed you made some changes regarding numbers, changing words to numbers, and replacing the word "percent" with the percent symbol.  I was taught in school to spell out numbers under one-hundred and in journalism class to always use the word percent in stories rather than the symbol and our stylebook endorses the latter while says either is acceptable on the former.  See [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Number_names]].  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:45, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

'''His reply:''' <br>
Hi, there. Long time, yes. I'm starting to get my toe back in. Regarding the style issues you mentioned, I follow Associated Press style, which is the generally accepted style for news publications in the United States. A.P. style uses words for numbers only up to "nine." Anything higher goes with figures. There are a number of exceptions, such as street addresses, which always use figures. Another exception is percentages, which always uses figures with the word "percent" written out. I don't know who has been using the "%" symbol, but it wasn't me (honest!) [[User:Acsenray|Acsenray]] 15:49, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted on [[User talk:Acsenray]]:''' <br>
Salve! <br> I was looking in the wrong column in the "compare versions".  You changed it to "percent" from "%".  Sorry about that.  Some of us can't read.  I'm going to make a proposal to the stylebook re spelling out numbers.  To me, it just looks odd to see "24".  I do recognize the AP uses numerals, but we don't have the same space concerns as they or printed reference works do.  I'm going to make queries about where to post my proposal and when get it up, I'll let you know so you can offer your comments.  One other thing.  You've been putting up results for this months elections; will you be sure to get the final numbers when the elections are certified?  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:02, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

== Stylebook Proposal ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Michael Snow]]:''' <br>
Salve, Michael Snow! <br> Where should a proposal to amend the stylebook go?  I would like to clarify the policy about spelling out numbers that is at [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Number_names]] and wonder if there's someplace other than the talk page for this sort of thing.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:07, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

== Greetings ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Merovingian]]:''' <br>
Salve, Merovingian! <br>Just wanted to say hello because, one, I like your handle, and, two, we seem to have some similiar interests, conservatism and language.  I completely redid the [[Webster's Dictionary]] article and created articles on many other dictionaries.  (See my list of articles I've worked on at [[User:PedanticallySpeaking/Articles]].)  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:31, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
:Hello!  I do apologize for not replying to you, I have been rather busy at school.  Thanks for pointing yourself out.  I lookforward to working with you in the future!  Ave atque vale, --[[User:Merovingian|<font color="green"><big>&#8475;</big>yan!]]</font> | [[User talk:Merovingian|<font color="orange">Talk]] 17:10, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

== Ago Gratias ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:NeoJustin]]:''' <br>
Salve, NeoJustin! <br>Thanks for updating the page [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits]].  What date are the new data from so I can update the date on the page itself?  Thanks for your help.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 19:28, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

'''Posted by [[User:NeoJustin|NeoJustin]]:''' <br>
Hello PedanticallySpeaking, <br>
You should have checked the history on the page before you sent me the message. All I fixed was one little mistake. I didn't update the page. I don't even know how I would update the information on that page. I would do it if I knew how. [[User:NeoJustin|NeoJustin]] 16:58, Nov. 20, 2004 (UTC)

== Policy discussions ==

The talk page is the right place, but to get some attention to it you might want to list it at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment#General convention and policy issues]] and [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]]. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 21:53, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Arbitration Committee Election Get Out the Vote Effort ==

Greetings Candidate PedanticallySpeaking,

Now that you have declared your candidacy for the Arbitration Committee, I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that a relatively new user such as yourself will add diversity to the range of viewpoints represented on committee, but at the same time, new voters will have to participate in this election if the incumbent advantage is to be overcome.

One of the technical people on this site, who goes by the name Danny, helped me to make a very convenient tag that makes it super easy to place this "get out the vote" banner on your user page:


{{ArbComElection}}


Please consider adding this tag to your user page, as a great many pages link to your user page.

Thanks in advance if you choose to help out. If there are any issues which prevent you from doing so, please let me know - I would be happy to make a custom version of this tag just for your page if that's what it takes for you to proudly display it.

If you choose to display this banner, please put the tag as near to the top as your aesthetic sense will permit. :)

Regards,

--[[User:David Vasquez|DV]] 18:05, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

P.S.: I grew up in Chicago (I appreciate the "vote often" reference), and my next door neighbor was from Ohio. It's a small world, isn't it?

'''My reply, posted at [[User talk:David Vasquez]]:''' <br>
Salve, David Vasquez! <br>Thanks for sending me the campaign banner.  I will indeed post it on my user page.  As someone who has campaigned for public office I can attest to how hard it is to get any attention.  Once I ran for an office people weren't aware even existed!  Good luck on your own campaign.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:11, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

:I'm not running for office, but I am running something of a "get out the vote" campaign!

:Cheers,

:--[[User:David Vasquez|DV]] 18:25, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'''My reply, posted at [[User talk:David Vasquez]]:''' <br>
Salve!<br>Your "small world" comment reminds me of the best "small world" story I know.  My cousin, who lives in [[Richland, Washington]], is very active in her professional organization and travels to all the conventions, etc.  One day she's sitting at O'Hare waiting to change planes and strikes up a conversation with her seatmates.  The usual stuff, what do you do, where are you headed, that sort of thing.  She asks where they're from.  [[Richmond, Kentucky]] they tell her.  Richmond, Kentucky!  Why my cousin teaches at the university there.  Really?  What's his name.  She tells them.  Why we've known him for years!  In O'Hare airport?  There's a cafe in Paris--the name escapes me at present--that supposedly if you sit there the entire world will pass you by eventually.  Perhaps O'Hare is the same way--certainly Frankfurt would be.  I've heard that if Jesus Christ himself returned to Earth he'd have to go through Frankfurt.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:32, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

== New feature to control campaign messages ==

Hi PedanticallySpeaking,

Thank you for your earlier decision to support the "get out the vote" banner. It's been a resounding success, with users adding links to it left and right!

I enjoyed your small world story. My father used to tell stories like that once in a while - he traveled quite a lot through airports (we lived in Chicago, so he spent a lot of time at O'Hare) and he would sometimes see the same person asking for donations in different cities! (How someone who was destitute managed to travel from city to city via airplane was quite the mystery.)

I'm writing to you now about a longer term issue that will affect not only the December Arbitration Committee Election, but all future elections on Wikipedia.

It seems that some folks are truly put upon when it comes to campaign messages, even to the point of not wanting other users to receive such messages.

I'm really not sure what to make of Administrators who are running for election, but don't want individual contributors to receive campaign-related messages on their user talk pages - ''even if those users have explicitly requested to receive such messages''.

I understand the desire not to politicize elections. But aren't voters wise enough to make their own decision to choose to receive campaign messages and make up their own minds?

I also respect privacy, and if users indicate they do not want campaign messages, there should be harsh sanctions for campaigners who ignore those wishes.

Please check out the proposal at [[Wikipedia:Campaign_message_user_preference|Software and features]], and vote to approve a new feature that allows users to control whether or not they receive campaign messages.

I'm hopeful that if users are allowed to explicitly declare their willingness to receive such messages, that others will not feel quite so offended.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EagleFalconn
My talk

If you'll support this effort, I think it will go a long ways towards increasing voter turnout in future elections.

Thanks in advance if you choose to help out.

And good luck in the December vote. I haven't decided on your candidacy yet because you are so much newer than many of the other candidates, but because I am predisposed to giving outsiders a chance to introduce fresh ideas, I am giving your candidacy serious thought.

Cheers,

--[[User:David Vasquez|DV]] 12:34, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Getting Wikipedians to Check Contradictions ==
Hiya, on the reference desk page you've posted a couple "A newcomer to Wikipedia asked on Wikipedia:Help desk about how to get Wikipedians to check out contradictions in articles and I'm putting the queries here:." Wouldn't it be possible to just put accuracy tag up and add it to the list of stuff that needs fixing? [[User:EagleFalconn|EagleFalconn]] 16:51, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== A quick note to say thanks ==

[[Image:WikiThanks.png]]

I just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you for your support in my ''request for adminship''. It was certainly a wild ride, and I really appreciate you taking some time out to contribute. [[User:ClockworkSoul|Clockwork'''Soul''']] 16:11, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== The Incredibles and [[Edith Head]] ==

'''Posted on [[Talk:Edith Head]]:''' <br>
Though I have not seen the film, I would object to the graf as its writer and director, [[Brad Bird]], has refused to indentify who, if anyone, is the inspiration for the character Edna Mode.  See "Glasses Menagerie" by Steve Daly, ''Entertainment Weekly'' #793, [[November 19]], [[2004]], page 22.  Daly has a long list of suspects besides Head, including [[Anna Wintour]], [[Coco Chanel]], [[Lotte Lenya]], [[Philip Johnson]], [[Robert Evans]], [[Swifty Lazar]], [[Lew Wasserman]], [[Carrie Donovan]], and [[Isaac Mizrahi]].  Miss Mode may very well resemble Miss Head, but since Bird is denying it, I think it should be cut.  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:03, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

::''This is the graf in question from the article [[Edith Head]]:''<Br>
::*Edith Head's personality and mannerisms were caricatured in the [[2004]] [[Pixar]]/[[Disney]] computer-animated film, [[The Incredibles]].  The round glasses and assertive personality of the film's fictional superhero costume designer [[The Incredibles#Characters|Edna Mode]] are in direct homage to Head's legendary accomplishments and style.

== [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits]] ==

'''Posted at [[User talk:MattTM]]:''' <Br>
Salve, MattTM! <br> Thanks for updating the data at [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits]], but the first graf says the data is from November 8th.  Is that correct?  Ave! [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:59, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, that date was ''not'' correct.  There was some confusion on my part concerning the update schedule of the CSV data.  It is now fixed; thanks for notifying me. - [[User:MattTM|MattTM]] | [[User_talk:MattTM|talk]] 05:08, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

== Partition of India ==

You voted for [[Partition of India]], this week's [[Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week|Collaboration of the week]].  Please come and help it become a [[Wikipedia:Featured_articles|featured]]-[[Wikipedia:What is a featured article|standard]] article.

==A Message to my Fellow Candidate==

'''Friend,'''<br>
The Arbitration Committee elections are almost here.  I humbly ask for your vote in this election cycle.  I have been a user of Wikipedia for over a year.  I was here before the Community Portal, categories, or <nowiki><tt>{{stub}}</tt></nowiki>.  I know how Wikipedia operates, and I am prepared to do my part to deal with problematic accounts.  I wish to cut out the bureaucracy that makes our website stagnate.  We need solutions to our problems now.  If you want an arbitrator who believes in action, frankness, honesty, and fairness in every case, ''I am your arbitrator''.  Thank you for your time.  You are under no obligation to answer this message.<br>
:--[[User:Merovingian|Paid for by Mero. for ArbCom]]

== Article Licensing ==

Hi, I've [[User:rambot#Free the Rambot Articles project|started a drive]] to get users to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the [[Creative Commons]] Attribution-Share Alike  (''CC-by-sa'') v1.0 and v2.0 [[Creative Commons License|License]]s or into the [[public domain]] if they prefer.  The ''CC-by-sa'' license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the [[GFDL]], but it allows '''other projects''', such as [[WikiTravel]], to use our articles.  Since you are among the [[Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits|top 1000]] Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at ''minimum'' those on the geographic articles.  Over 90% of people asked have agreed.  For More Information:
*[[User talk:Ram-Man#Multi-Licensing FAQ|Multi-Licensing FAQ]] - Lots of questions answered
*[[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|Multi-Licensing Guide]]
*[[User:rambot#Free the Rambot Articles project|Free the Rambot Articles Project]]

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "'''<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>'''" template into their user page, but there are other options at [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace#Licensing Templates|Template messages/User namespace]].  The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

:'''Option 1'''
:<nowiki>I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>
'''OR'''
:'''Option 2'''
:<nowiki>I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "'''<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>'''" with "'''<nowiki>{{MultiLicensePD}}</nowiki>'''".  If you only prefer using the [[GFDL]], I would like to know that too.  ''Please let me know'' what you think at my '''[[User talk:Ram-Man|talk page]]'''.  It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. [[User:Ram-Man|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]] <sup>([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new comment]) ([[User talk:Ram-Man|talk]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:53, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

== Photo Help ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Meelar]]:''' <Br>
Salve, Meelar! <br>Have not communicated with you lately; hope all is well.  I noticed today the link on [[Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer]] to the Swedish Wikipedia, where someone has posted a photo of the lady and the fish she discovered.  I'm afraid I'm not very good at technical matters and my attempts to post the photo on the English article were not a success. I wonder if you might be able to do that for me.  Many thanks.  Ave atque vale!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 17:23, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)


== Admin Nomination ==
Glad to support your nomination. [[User:Ffirehorse|ffirehorse]] 01:35, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:I've supported it too.  Mind you, I accidentally opposed it first, and didn't notice till I had saved the page and was reviewing it.  Phew! [[User:Deb|Deb]] 15:05, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== A requst - Morgan's Raid ==

Salve!  Seeing your areas of interest and location I'd like to make a request. WP lacks an article for [[Morgan's Raid]]. I remember reading about it in the Hamilton County library while in school (years ago) but my local library has nothing, since I've lived in Texas for 25 years. Also take a glance at [[John Hunt Morgan]]. I know he went just north of Cincinnati, but don't remember if he went through Warren County or Clermont County after that. I thought you might find something in a local library, and I'm trying to avoid Civil War History, since I've gotten trapped in just trying to sort out the Revolutionary War and geography. FYI, I made a pass through Wikipedia last year expanding Hamilton County, just as you've been doing for Warren, so thanks and hang in there. [[User:LouI|Lou I]] 07:53, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== RfA ==

I think somewhere in the meddle of RfAing you forgot to answer the standard questions? I've added them at the bottom of your RfA, if you could find time before the end of the voting period to answer them that'd be nice. --[[User:Fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><FONT COLOR="green">*</FONT></SMALL>]] 08:38, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

== RFA Candidacy ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Ram-Man]]:''' <br>
Salve, Ram-Man! <br>I've been away a few days and didn't seen your comment on my [[WP:RFA]] candidacy until today.  In my absence, however, [[User:Andre|Andre]] has been kind enough to copy my comments from my last candidacy responding to [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]]'s complaints when I withdrew.  If that did not answer your concern, please let me know.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 16:52, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

== RFA Questions ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Dr Zen]]:''' <br>
Salve, Dr Zen! <br>I've been away for three days--among other things during that time, I took my grandmother out to lunch for her birthday--so I did not see your comments until this morning .  I've now answered the generic questions as well as responded to some of the other issues at [[WP:RFA]].  Ave atque vale!  [[User:66.213.119.98|66.213.119.98]] 17:33, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== Fishy Pictures ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Pedant]]:''' <br>
Salve, Pedant!<br>Many thanks for putting up the picture of [[Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer]] and the [[coelacanth]] on her page.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 18:07, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
:Thanks for the nice note... [[User:Pascal]] deserves the credit though.  I just linked it. I'd love to find a public domain picture of some coelecanth fossils to go with the coelacanth article... [[User:Pedant|Pedant]] 19:04, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

== CL&N ==

'''Posted on [[User talk:Slambo]]:''' <br>
Salve, Slambo!<br>I took a look at the two issues re the [[Cincinnati, Lebanon, and Northern Railroad]] you raised on the talk page.  I moved the sentence re the Avondale road up a couple sentences so its in chronological order.  And the first receivership was in 1879, not 1876 as I had.  I don't know that I'm enough of a devotee to be called a train buff, but I do have a interest in those in my neck of the woods, like the CL&N and the [[Middletown and Cincinnati]].  If I can be of help in the future, let me know.  Ave!  [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 20:23, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
:Cool.  I thought the one date didn't quite look right as I was working through adding data to the pages in [[:Category:Timeline of rail transport]], but didn't know enough about the railroads in question to just correct them.  Thanks for the update. [[User:Slambo|slambo]] 20:26, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)