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== [[Index:1930 QLD Royal Commission into Racing Report.djvu]] ==

This is a mess , with 2 different styles of sidenotes used.

Can someone set ONE style consistently across this, and leave a note on the talk page? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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:::You can see a specific use on [[Page:A history of Hungarian literature.djvu/14]]. If not done this way, then the text will not transclude correctly into the Main namespace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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== [[Special:ShortPages]] ==

I see nothing but those in page namespace in this special page as far as 5500 pages. Hopefully we will be able to choose which namespace to see or not to see in the future.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] ([[User talk:Jusjih|talk]]) 05:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
:It would require a bugzilla request to get any difference, though I am not sure that this report will ever be useful for us. The main ns works are usually small as they don't contain the text, just the &lt;pages> transclusion component. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 12:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
::Getting the WMF to do anything with the built in reports is pretty unlikely. Its not a very exciting task and some of the projects have been begging for changes for years that still haven't been done. Wanted pages routinely kicks out Templates and categories and talk pages even though these all have their own wanted Special pages. There are some things that could be done but I am not sure if they would be allowed here. For example if we added a sufficient length history statement to the Zero byte pages in the Short pages list that contain no text, it would remove them from the short pages list. It could also explain to new folks like why they are blank without actually changing anything to the visible rendering of the page. We could also create a bot that creates our own report rather than rely on the built in ones that never worked very well. It probably wouldn't be very hard for me to craft the SQL code to run it but it would require someone with Labs access and who would be willing to run the job. I'm not that familiar with the database table structure for Wikisource though so it might take some tinkering. In fact after doing a little checking ENWP has a report for long pages with the code available [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Long_pages/Configuration here]. So we could use that as a baseline. Again though, I don't know how it works here yet, but I wanted to offer a couple suggestions. [[User:Reguyla|Reguyla]] ([[User talk:Reguyla|talk]]) 15:33, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
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Fwiw... a similar issue with the ''Draft'' namespace doing the same on Wikipedia has a Bugzilla already. It might be worth following/adding to. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 23:04, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
:A switch to let you choose the namespace might be easy, in which case we might be able to find someone to do it.  If you want, I'll file the request. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 17:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

== Works contained in other works ==

If a work is contained in another work, not as a section in a collection, but for example a poem that is cited in its entirety, should it be made a separate work with its own page in mainspace?

For example, the translation of ''[[Veni Creator Spiritus (Maurus)|Veni Creator Spiritus]]'' by John Dryden is cited in full in ''[[The seven great hymns of the mediaeval church/Veni Creator Spiritus]]'', and it has also been transcluded into its own page: [[Creator Spirit, by whose aid]]

Another example: the [[Book of Common Prayer (1892)]] contains many prayers which are not original to that work, and some of them have been given their own pages:
* [[Book_of_Common_Prayer_(1892)/Lord's Prayer|Lord's Prayer]]
* [[Book_of_Common_Prayer_(1892)/Apostles' Creed|Apostles' Creed]]
Both of which are taken from [[Book of Common Prayer (1892)/Morning Prayer]].

Is there any sort of guideline on how, or if at all, this should be done?

[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 15:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beleg Tâl}} I can't say for certain but one thing to bear in mind is that even if the text as such is identical things like formatting may not be so it could still be worthwhile to transcribe the same content or virtually identical content in two separate places. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

::{{ping|Londonjackbooks}} would be the best person to recomend how to deal with this situation as she is doing quite a bit of work in the poetry space. The BCP example is probably not the best to follow as the ''Lord's Prayer'' appears in several parts of the book including ''Morning Prayer'', ''Evening Prayer'', and ''Holy Communion''. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
::::I work mostly with {{tl|disambiguation}} and {{tl|versions}} pages with poetry, and Billinghurst has mentioned those methods below.  It is a good way to have each work represented.  [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 14:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

:::I have separately transcluded a work from an existing work where it is included in full, {{sc|not}} an excerpt, and it is incidental to the work itself. So the full poem, full psalm, etc. Where I have done that I do it by putting section tags around the work, and transcluding to the name of the work, and in the notes I cite the source, and don't put it as a subpage of the original work (it is one of those exclusions from normal).  Of course, we can create a redirect to a version of a work and utilise an anchor to direct.
:::That said, in the case that you cite "[[Book of Common Prayer (1892)]]" the published works are not incidental to the publication, they are the publication and should be dealt with as subpages of the work.  In situation like this if it is the only version of "Lord's Prayer" we would put in a redirect to the work. If it is just one of a number, then we would have either a {{tl|disambiguation}} or a {{tl|versions}} page to direct the user to all the variations that we host. Each version is published, and each is worthy of its own presentation, especially through time, and through expanding geography of publication. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 05:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::So, based on what you are saying, this is what I understand, and I am going to use the ''[[Dies Irae]]'' as an example: the [[The seven great hymns of the mediaeval church/Dies Iræ|seven translations]] of ''Dies Irae'' that are included in ''[[The seven great hymns of the mediaeval church]]'' would be considered incidental to the work, and should be transcluded separately and listed on the [[Dies Irae|<nowiki>{{translations}}</nowiki> page]] as separate works, instead of the list of links to anchors in ''The seven great hymns'' that I had put there originally. However, the [[Page:The Catholic prayer book.djvu/74|translation]] of ''Dies Irae'' in ''[[The Catholic Prayer Book and Manual of Meditations]]'' is ''not'' incidental to the work, as it forms part of the Service for the Dead, so it ''should'' be listed on the <nowiki>{{translations}}</nowiki> page as a link to the anchor in ''The Catholic Prayer Book''. Is that right? I had been doing it with anchors all along, until I came across "[[Creator Spirit, by whose aid]]" which had been separately transcluded. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)