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== [[Index:1930 QLD Royal Commission into Racing Report.djvu]] ==

This is a mess , with 2 different styles of sidenotes used.

Can someone set ONE style consistently across this, and leave a note on the talk page? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

== Page Alignment ==

This is about the chapter [[Durgesa Nandini/Book 1/Chapter 3]]. Pages in the original book are mis-arranged. Two copies are available on the net: [http://hdl.handle.net/10689/13151 West Bengal Public Library Network] and [http://dli.gov.in/scripts/FullindexDefault.htm?path1=/rawdataupload/upload/0104/055&first=1&last=192&barcode=4990010104053 Digital Library of India]. Both copies have the same defect. In order to be truthful to the original, I uploaded it in original arrangement. Now I need to add section 1 of page 13 after pages 71-74 in Book I/Chapter III. But page 13 portion is not getting transcluded in the same line as the ending of page 74. Please help.
[[User:Hrishikes|Hrishikes]] ([[User talk:Hrishikes|talk]]) 13:40, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
:The best I can think of for now is to sacrifice use of <pages/> altogether. Maybe someone else has a better solution, because [[special:diff/4988719/4989035|this one]] is really pretty awful? [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 21:55, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
::Many thanks. It looks nice to me. There was an extra blank line in between the first two pages, which I have corrected. [[User:Hrishikes|Hrishikes]] ([[User talk:Hrishikes|talk]]) 00:54, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Thank ''you.'' I did <u>not</u> mean to leave that blank line in there. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
:::: Why are we transcluding this work at all if the pages are out of order and unproofread? Seems like the correct answer should be to fix the underlying file, reorder the pages, <nowiki>[proofread, ]</nowiki> and then transclude? [[User:Mukkakukaku|Mukkakukaku]] ([[User talk:Mukkakukaku|talk]]) 01:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
::::: THANK YOU for the correct & only answer. Sheesh :(
::::: {{Done}} -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 01:14, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

== Norm on Apostrophes and Quotation Marks ==

What is the current practice on apostrophes and quotation marks regarding dumb quotes and smart quotes? —[[User:Wylve|Wylve]] ([[User talk:Wylve|talk]]) 16:59, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
: Use dumb quotes and typewriter apostrophes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks. —[[User:Wylve|Wylve]] ([[User talk:Wylve|talk]]) 06:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[Encyclopaedia Biblica]] ==

archive.org has djvu files on Encyclopaedia Biblica. If anyone wants to import them, 
and make the index pages, things I don't do well, and tell me what to do with the existing pages, I can work on improving it. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 19:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
:Some options for automatic importing [[Help:Internet_Archive#One:_ia-upload_tool|here]]. Pick what you need, and if you post the imported files, someone might take it from there.--[[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] ([[User talk:Mpaa|talk]]) 21:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

== Table alignment issue ==

I have an issue where I can't center-align a table.  The page in question is [[Page:Origin and Growth of Religion (Rhys).djvu/317|here]] (and the one after that).  I've used all the methods I can think of, but to no avail: the table stays left-aligned.  I've center-aligned tables before so I don't get why it's not happening any more.  The way it transcludes can be see on my [[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Zhaladshar/Sandbox|sandbox]].—<font style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]</font> <sup><font style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]</font></sup> 13:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's center aligning for me. It may be the result of using html code in combination with a particular browser, instead of using wiki-markup and CSS. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
: It's not center aligned for me. But for a block element to be centered it needs a width. The table is, by default, 100% of the width of the page. I shoved a width onto it and now it center aligns, but it's a bit too narrow in the transclusion. [[User:Mukkakukaku|Mukkakukaku]] ([[User talk:Mukkakukaku|talk]]) 23:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Zhaladshar}} I could make it look exactly like the original, but I must use wiki table parameters, I am less than good with HTML table parameters.[[User:Ineuw|Ineuw]] ([[User talk:Ineuw|talk]]) 04:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
:Ah!  It was the table width issue.  I can't believe that didn't strike me sooner.  Thanks!—<font style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]</font> <sup><font style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]</font></sup> 13:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

== Edit window malfunctioning ==

I've lost the ability to see the DvJu image beside the edit window when proofreading pages. It worked fine through yesterday, but today problems started. At first, I could get the text to appear with a few refreshes or coming back to the page, but now, I can't get the DjVu image to show up at all. Three or four refreshes do nothing. I've tried two different browsers with the same results. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
:I have the same issue.  I was able to proofread just fine for a few pages, then they all started to break and I couldn't get them to ever load.—<font style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]</font> <sup><font style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]</font></sup> 14:04, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
::No such issues here. Do you observe the same when not logged in? -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 23:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


+1: no DjVu image appeared for me when I made my most recent (13:44, 7 August 2014) proofing edit, despite multiple image reloads; however the image loaded on preview. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 00:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:Thats a bit confusing - do you mean you were able to pull an image only thru clicking the 'Image' tab (i.e. full-size jpg) but not a.) when landing on an existing page (view mode), or; b.) when creating a new page for the first time (edit mode), and/or; c.) when ''preview''ing a new page after making some edits (also edit mode)? <p>And again, the first thing we should look for in narrowing down causes is to see if the same thing happens when you're not logged in. So .  .   .   .? -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 00:44, 8 August 2014 (UTC)</p>
::Ha ha, no unhelpful drive-by plus-one comments on George's watch! The image did not load on the edit page. I have my own personal reload script in the sidebar, which triggers an image reload at reduced resolution. I clicked that and the image did not appear. I clicked it again and the image did not appear. I did not, at that time, check to confirm that my reload script was actually working. I can now confirm that it has been broken by recent site changes. Therefore I didn't actually reload the image at all. I did not, at that time, check to see if the image would load for me if logged out. When I finished editing the page, I clicked "Show preview", and the image loaded on the preview page, allowing me to proof what I had edited and save my work. At present, things appear to be working nicely for me; I am unable to duplicate my problem, so cannot participate in diagnosis. In short, I have nothing to contribute, I am wasting your time with useless information, and I wish I hadn't made a goose of myself by posting here in the first place. Still confusing? [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 01:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks for clearing that up. So we're back to square one I guess. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 01:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
::::I don't know about EncycloPetey, but whatever issues I had are now resolved.—<font style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]</font> <sup><font style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]</font></sup> 05:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

::::: This is something that happens from time to time to me as well. Purging the file on Commons sometimes helps. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

The problem has now cleared up for me as well. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

===Purging the file on Commons sometimes helps===

To continue BWC's point on what appears to be a lag in the overall accounting of what amounts to the list generated by           clicking on 'What links here' in the sidebar menu (e.g. instances of related linked & transcluded files), I've found 2 additional API calls to be helpful here.

For example, when I see to many Index: pages that have "lost" their ProofReading color-coded Page: status, I force not only a "purge" but also a [recursive] link update by either targeting the main "template" used by all Index: pages...
* https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=purge&titles=MediaWiki:proofreadpage_index_template&forcelinkupdate
* https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=purge&titles=MediaWiki:proofreadpage_index_template&forcerecursivelinkupdate
... or by targeting the Index: itself:
* https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=purge&titles=Index:villette.djvu&forcelinkupdate
* https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=purge&titles=Index:villette.djvu&forcerecursivelinkupdate

Using a combination of the above, I managed to clean out the obviously incorrect readings produced when generating the Special: [[Special:IndexPages|List of Index pages]].

What would be helpful is if some snarky 'crat or equivalent could somehow manage to have these 2 API calls quietly run 'along side' the current Purge action tab when selected. This way, all 3 tasks could be run at once with just one simple click. :) -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 00:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

== Can an editor who's good with images help validate this work? ==

I've been busy proofreading a [[Index:Notes on Osteology of Baptanodon. With a Description of a New Species.pdf|scientific paper]] that includes a lot of illustrations, many placed in configurations that seem challenging to replicate here. I'm not especially familiar with Wikisource's preferences and capabilities regarding image placement and I've found Wikisource's help file distinctly unhelpful, so I thought I would ask the community if someone who's good at working with integrating pictures into works could help me with this one. Any takers? [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 02:40, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

:[[Page:Notes on Osteology of Baptanodon. With a Description of a New Species.pdf/3|Look at this page]] and if you are satisfied, there will be a small charge per image. Let me know. --[[User:Ineuw|Ineuw]] ([[User talk:Ineuw|talk]]) 03:26, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

== What do I do... ==

when I find that [[The Cambridge History of American Literature/Book I/Chapter I]], which I'm looking to assemble from an index, already exists as a standalone page? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:If it's the same edition, then overwrite with the scan-backed version. If it's a different edition then move the page to a disambiguated title. By the way, we've mostly standardised our Book and Chapter page titles to use Arabic numerals even if the original text used Roman. This was done to ease the process of intertext wikilinking. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 20:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 21:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

== Minimum items for portal creation? ==

How many items should we have to create a portal, amd would multiple/plural encyclopedia articles be sufficient? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 22:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:There is no minimum to create a portal, there just has to be potential for a corpus of PD literature (and a relevant LoC code). Yes, encyclopaedia articles are fine to start it off with. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

:Use your best judgment and common sense. Is the Portal one that has much content to list currently? Is it likely to grow much over the next year? Might the presence of the portal stimulate additional contributions? Does it have a clear parent portal to link from? Are visitors likely to look for such a portal? If you think there is real value in having a particular portal, and it is likely to be useful in some way, then it's probably worth starting that portal, even if there's not much right now. Example: When I started the portal for Greek drama [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Ancient_Greek_drama&oldid=4547019 about a year ago], it was pretty sad compared to [[Portal:Ancient Greek drama|the portal today]]. Starting a portal can be a great focal point for determining what we have, what we lack, and what we need. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:18, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

:A long time ago we had a discussion about having "Topic" or "Subject" pages for bringing together works on or about the same topic. It was agreed that we would do that but that we would use the portal namespace rather than opening up a new namespace. So to my mind "portal" is a bit of a misnomer. "Portal", to me, implies an alternative main page for reader communities of a specific interest, whereas we simply mean a page about a certain topic. As such, the threshold for creation is very low. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 00:07, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
::The specific portal'''s''' I am considering creating are for the purposes of providing something to link to in the text of the book I am developing. So, for instance, '''if''' we have two or more significant sources on Increase Mather, either extant or potential, I will try to see all the ''shorter'' sources (not including book-length) we might have in existing indexes get created,  link to them in the portal, and then put in links to that portal in other places where reasonable. And, yes, I do expect this to take awhile. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 14:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

::: If you are linking from a published book that you are transcribing, then that's not really how portals are meant to be used. Could you provide an example or two of where you mean to link, so that we might suggest alternatives? 

::: However, if you are creating an original book on Wikibooks, that sounds reasonable. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::"If you are linking from a published book that you are transcribing, then that's not really how portals are meant to be used." I beg to differ. I think that portals are indeed meant to be used as John Carter proposes to use them. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 01:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Can you supply a single instance where that has been done? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:06, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::I don't see that John Carter's intentions are any different from what mine were when I created [[Portal:Banksia sessilis]], [[Portal:Yagan]], ''etc''. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 07:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::So, was that a "yes" or a "no", because I don't see an instance yet. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC) 
::::::::::What is it you think that John Carter intends to do that differs from what I have done in the above cases? [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 12:11, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::He plans to link to a portal from text inside  a transcribed work that is not part of the Portal. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:24, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::Do you mean like [[Page:Flora Australiensis Volume 5.djvu/581|this]] and [[Page:Transactions of the Linnean Society of London, Volume 10.djvu/238|this]] and [[Page:On the cultivation of the plants belonging to the natural order of Proteeae.djvu/134|this]] and [[Page:The Visit of Charles Fraser to the Swan River in 1827.djvu/11|this]]? [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 00:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Only like the first and last on that list; the middle two items are included in the Portal. The first item might be added to the portal, but the last item seems to make an odd link that could be better served with a simple tooltip note. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Then your objection is not to the portal itself, but to what we might call 'incidental' links to the portal — linking to the portal from within works that should not themselves be listed? That is, if a work is not really about Increase Mather and would not deserve to be listed on an Increase Mather portal, then a passing mention of Increase Mather in that work should not be linked to the Increase Mather portal even if portal exists? If this is your position then we still disagree. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 01:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

::::The work being developed is the Cambridge History of American Literature. The first visible potential portal would be Humphrey Gilbert, mentioned on [[Page:The Cambridge History of American Literature, v1.djvu/27]]. We already have the DNB bio and a Longfellow poem about him. So I would first create the yet-to-be-created EB article on him, and anything else I can find yet-to-be-created on him here, then the portal including them all, and then add links to that portal in any works on naval history or whatever which already discuss him.[[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 15:24, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

:::::As I said, that's not really appropriate for linking to a portal. You could link to an author page, if the emphasis is on him as an author. Alternatively, you could link to the Wikipedia article about him, then add a link at WP to a Portal here, but linking to a portal within the text of a transcribed work isn't really appropriate. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:34, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

::::::Gilbert should have an Author: page created. We know that he wrote ''A discourse of a discouerie for a new passage to Cataia'' and there are likely to be other works given his Irish and Newfoundland exploits. Author pages have two sections. The first is for Works by the author; the second is for Works about the author. See [[Author:Robert Bridges]] for an example. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

== More edit window problems ==

When I click on the edit tab I arrive at a screen with no preview or text entry field. I didn't have any problem a couple of hours ago. Has a sysop changed something? [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 20:13, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:Same problems on fr.wikisource --[[User:Zyephyrus|Zyephyrus]] ([[User talk:Zyephyrus|talk]]) 20:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

:: Are you still having these problems? I don't seem to have them, but have not been editing for the past 12 hours either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

== My editing toolbar has changed ==

Since this morning, my editing toolbar has '''[[:File:LJB Toolbar.jpg|changed]]''' and does not include any added buttons from my [[User:Londonjackbooks/common.js]] or zoom in/zoom out buttons, etc.  I have made no changes to preferences or elsewhere.  Any insight would be appreciated, as I use the toolbar regularly.  Thanks, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 23:24, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

What my toolbar ''should'' look like (to include the zoom in/zoom out buttons): [[File:LJB Toolbar correct.jpg]] [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 21:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

: I'm not having this issue. All seems normal to me. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:43, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

::Just a minor inconvenience, but the toolbar with customized buttons makes life much easier for me.  Not sure what the issue is, but someone will come along with insight... Glad it's not affecting you! [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 02:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:::It's happening to me as well, but only in the Page: namespace. What's actually happening is that the "old" toolbar appears briefly and then is overwritten with what looks like the enhanced toolbar. The loss of the zoom buttons is critical for me when working with pages like [[Page:A Dictionary of Music and Musicians vol 2.djvu/353]]. The diacritics on the Greek text at the top of column ''b'' are difficult to make out, and some nuances in score snippets are potentially lost. The button to dismiss and bring back the header/footer fields is also missing, as is the button to automatically insert {{tl|hwe}} based on an {{tl|hws}} on the previous page (a gadget). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

::::My editing toolbar has vanished in Page: namespace too.  It is showing in this mainspace edit window though.  [[User:Moondyne|Moondyne]] ([[User talk:Moondyne|talk]]) 09:20, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:::::The old toolbar that used to be at the bottom of the window is now at the top for me in the edit window. So, where I used to have to scroll down to the bottom to insert em-dashes, I now have to scroll to the top. Otherwise, I'm seeing no change, really. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|Londonjackbooks}} {{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} {{ping|Moondyne}} {{ping|EncycloPetey}} I apologize for not bringing this earlier to the attention of the community. The custom toolbar buttons require some extra code to possibly avert issues. If it is not changed it will affect certain features in different ways. In my case it knocked out HotCats. Please see this post [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-HotCat.js#HotCat_is_not_working_when_adding_a_toolbar_component_to_common.js_-_Wikisource] and check out the changes in my [[User:Ineuw/common.js|common.js]] — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 17:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:::::::I am then at the mercy of those who know how to apply the code fixes to my [[User:Londonjackbooks/common.js]]—if that is what is needed.  Thank you ahead of time, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 17:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:::::::: The joke is on me. I have no buttons at all in the Page:namespace, but it does show up here as I type this. This includes my custom button. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 18:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

::::::::: I am using the Modern Skin and removed all toolbar code, caches cleared, but nothing changed, so I don't think it's the code in the .js, — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 20:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Whose door should be knocked on about this? Copying and pasting breaks is getting tedious :P  [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 21:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:{{ping|George Orwell III}} GO3 help please. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 21:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:: I switched to the enhanced editor just to get some functions back. This includes the magnifier and the header/footer collapse.— [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 22:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

::: I still don't have any legacy style toolbar buttons in the Page namespace. Can someone help please? I logged in with my public user and the regular user account and it's the same problem. So, it's not user related. [[User:IneuwPublic|IneuwPublic]] ([[User talk:IneuwPublic|talk]]) 19:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

:::: While I have no solution, I can point to the most likely avenue for investigation. [[mw:MediaWiki 1.24/wmf16|1.24wmf16]] was rolled out on the day that these problems manifested. There were two changes to the ProofreadPage extension in that roll-out. There was also a change to Toolbar in the Core. Something in that lot has caused this problem. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 21:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I've been busy this week (in addition to moving to Win 8.1/IE10 at the same time) so I'm behind on what is going on. Oddly enough, I have only one toolbar issue and I suspect that is due to the addition of .svg icons to WikiEditor.

Again, all the legacy toolbar stuff is no longer supported - for some time now actually. I'll "look around" and see if I can't come up with some answers though. In the meantime, I suggest moving to WikiEditor if not using it already. We ''can'' customize it - it just needs a "group effort" at this point. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 23:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

: NOTE#1: [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.24/wmf16#WikiEditor] -- This change looks suspect since the Page: namespace is not wikitext content but proofread page content. This could explain the lack of buttons for some in the Page: namespace (again, I load my own WikiEditor toolbar and see no difference from last to this week). -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 23:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
{{color|red|Ineuw's reply to NOTE #1: Yes This seems to be an additional issue wikitext vs. Proofreading page.}}


:: {{ping|George Orwell III}} 
::* The only reason I went back to the legacy toolbar is to gain more editing space height.
:::: NOTE #2: PAY ATTENTION. I can add as many of the old buttons as you like using the old icons (bad practice but not earth-shattering) right along side the other buttons without the need to expand any additional Wikieditor menus. I added the M-button for example.
[[File:tb2.png]]
{{color|red|Ineuw's reply to NOTE #2: Is this code accessible from the Common.js so that we can learn to modify the toolbar on our own?}}
:::::I was hoping to get to the point where we can agree on a core set of buttons to load site-wide and then have folks customize their own from there but that's still a ways off if this latest hiccup is any indication of changes to come. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 06:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC) 

::* I also understood that the old toolbar is alive and well because many users on other wikis are demanding it.
:::: NOTE#3: THIS IS FALSE. Repeat it again and you'll get my back up like never before.
{{color|red|Ineuw's reply to NOTE #3: I am not going to get '''your back up.''', but do recommend that you read some of the comments bandied about in Bugzilla.}}
::::: Whatever. I follow VisualEditor's progress and THAT interface is suppose to become the "standard" while WikiEditor will serve as the fall back for projects "like us". Sure you can muddle your way through monobook & the old toolbars but one day its going to be turned off regardless. You can follow whomever you wish. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]])

::* I also figured the problem is an mw. update, but couldn't understand why only for some users and not others.
:::: NOTE#4: Don't know this yet for sure. It could be all the "outdated" gadgets you're loading as well.
{{color|red|Ineuw's reply to NOTE #4: I have No gadgets, my common.js was set up by you.}}
:::::[[User:Ineuw/Sandbox10|HERE]] is where it said you have gadgets loading. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 06:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


::* I copied the Firefox element inspector results [[User:Ineuw/Sandbox10|HERE]]. It seems to me that load.php missed loading three scripts.
:::: NOTE#5 Do have anything more along the lines of a script debugger? That just shows something is not quite right - a more specific error message would be much better.
{{color|red|Ineuw's reply to NOTE #5: Forget this please}}
:::::OK -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 06:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

::* On the other hand, I have all your customized implementation of the Wiki Editor backed up and saved. So I will reinstall it because I haven't done any on line work in days.
::* Also, I will check Bugzilla whether anyone else reported this problem. and can file a bug report. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 00:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
::: NOTE#6 Please do. I've fixed up my Bugzilla access since our last fwiw. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 00:41, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
{{color|red|Ineuw's reply to NOTE #6:[[User:Tpt]] reported to this problem to Bugzilla.}}
:::::[[User:Helder.wiki]] is who we need to come around and "clean" our .js/gadgets up. The bugzilla seems premature imho -- 06:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)



::::Just hoping I can get my customized buttons back.  Not sure what all the above means, but please keep this layman posted in layman's terms on how things can be rectified if I need to do anything on my end.  Thanks, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 00:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

{{color|red|{{ping|Londonjackbooks}}}} I left you a comprehensive message on the subject on your talk page. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 06:10, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

RE: Please accept my apologies. I confused the gadgets with .js code. I also didn't realize that the gadgets themselves can be outdated. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 06:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Title page borders ==

The 1907 edition of [[Index:King Solomon's Mines (1907).djvu|King Solomon's Mines]] has some lovely and elaborate borders on the [[Page:King Solomon's Mines (1907).djvu/3|title page]] and around the [[Page:King Solomon's Mines (1907).djvu/2|editor's note]]. Is there a way to preserve these borders? ''Should'' we preserve these borders? I tried searching the Scriptorium archives but 'border' is a terrible search term it turns out. Thanks. [[User:Mukkakukaku|Mukkakukaku]] ([[User talk:Mukkakukaku|talk]]) 03:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
: {{tl|overfloat image}} has been used for this before. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

== Leader box with two right columns? ==

Is it possible to make a leader box with two right columns? I need one for a [[Page:Synopsis of the Exinct Batrachia and Reptilia of North America. Part 1..pdf/44|page]] I'm proofreading. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 18:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:The easiest(?) way to do this is with a table. I've had a go. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 20:03, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll reverse engineer your code for use whenever that style of data presentation recurs. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 20:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

== How do I handle this image arrangement? ==

How can I arrange the images in [[Page:Synopsis of the Exinct Batrachia and Reptilia of North America. Part 1..pdf/45|this page]] to resemble the ones in the source file? I've been playing around with a table but can't get it "just right", especially regarding the alignment of the captions. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 00:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:It would be better as a single image.— [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 00:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::OK, that's probably less of a struggle. :) But just for future reference, is it at least possible to do that using Wikimedia code or templates? [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 00:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::I assume you are referring to display. To display the image use {{tl|FIS}}. Tables are only good when you must display images with split descriptions, or two separate images. but in this case a single image is the easiest.
::::I meant displaying separate images in complex arrangements like I had tried to do originally. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 01:36, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::Yes. But in this case it's difficult because of the original arrangement. A single image is easier here. One problem is the varying image sizes. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 02:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

:Have I formatted it the way you intended? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's just what I had in mind. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 03:03, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Setting the width to 80% (or to any fixed measure) is a bad idea. On wider screens the entire group will spread W A A A A Y apart. That's why I removed it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the guidance. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 15:44, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

== Image formatting help ==

Any recommendations for [[Page:The Man with the Hoe, Markham, 1900.djvu/28|this page]] would be appreciated.  I also have the other two decorative images (surrounding "Millet") available at [[Commons:Category:The Man with the Hoe, Markham, 1900|Commons]] as well.  At your leisure, and feel free to tinker... [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 22:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S. There's probably a lot of unnecessary formatting that I have included because I copied/pasted/tweaked from an image from another work.  Don't feel you need to keep my formatting... [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 23:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

{{done}} [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 02:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

== Non Unicode character ==

On pretty much every page of [[Index:A dictionary of the Book of Mormon.pdf]] there is character made up of a ''c'' and a ''t'' with an arch joining the tops of the two characters. There is no equivalent Unicode character. What to do? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 15:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
:It doesn't render very well on my own browser, but perhaps have a look at {{tl|ct}}: produces {{ct}}. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 21:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
:: There's no ligature on my browser in that example, so clearly your mileage may vary. [[User:Mukkakukaku|Mukkakukaku]] ([[User talk:Mukkakukaku|talk]]) 00:27, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
:::This is an orthographical thing. It's a holdover from certain handwritten scripts where these two letters were joined, just like fl, oe, and a few other oddities. It isn't necessary to reproduce this particular ligature, as this has never been a separate letter in English, and is generally not noticed by any modern reader. You may choose to preserve it in texts of some particular historical interest using {{tl|ct}}, but you can also safely choose to ignore it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Bearing in mind the above comments, there is also always use of the so-called Unicode "combining ligature left-half" which just ''might'' work (but probably not universally): c&#65056;t? [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::I would also be careful about the possibility of breaking searches. I think the ct template behaves, but a ligature character would not. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

== Colons in titles? ==

I've uploaded a PDF to Commons but wasn't able to include the colon from the work's title in the file name. How do I create an index here if the file name won't match the index page's name exactly? [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 19:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

: Simply proceed with whatever file you have got; and upon editing the corresponding Index: page the "Title" content (second box down; below "Type" (of the book)) may be changed into a wiki-link to any name you deem appropriate. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 21:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

::Thanks! [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 21:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

::: What is the title. Is it a secret? — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 22:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

:::: The file is [[:File:North American Plesiosaurs- Elasmosaurus, Cimoliasaurus, and Polycotylus.pdf]]. The title should be "[[North American Plesiosaurs: Elasmosaurus, Cimoliasaurus, and Polycotylus]]". [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 23:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

::::: The title of the '''file''' and the title of the '''work''' do not need to match. You could theoretically name the source file "File:Billy.pdf" and still call the work "North American Plesiosaurs: Elasmosaurus, Cimoliasaurus, and Polycotylus" in the Main namespace. (. . . although calling it "Billy" would not be best practice) --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:59, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::: Adjunct to that, is that the Index: namespace page cannot have colons as it needs to align to the file: ns page at Commons. So the quirk can come in the transclusion in the mismatch.  To note that there are numbers of works where the title in the naming line differs from that in the header template, and we have not overly fussed about it, and we cannot as we have to disambiguate works anyway and that changes page titles. So do feel that there is not a requirement to get the page title exact and have to use a colon, but do get it right in the header template. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 02:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::: Further adjunct is that there is a title and a subtitle involved here. The text up to the colon is the title and the text after is the sub-title. You should enter these two parts into the Book template on Commons. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: It's a journal article, not a book. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 08:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[:Index:عقبة بن نافع.pdf]] ==

Not English.  Is there a page for transwiki requests?.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

{{done}} — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 18:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[:Index:UU 14 2008.djvu]] ==

Not English language work in scans, page content in places appears to be a translation, but there no indication if it's an official one. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:33, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

{{done}} — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 18:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[Index:Characteristicks002shaf.pdf]] ==

This should probably be renamed,  Also I note it's volume2, where is Volume1? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

{{done}} Uploaded<br />
[[Index:Characteristicks of men, manners, opinions, times Vol 1.djvu]]<br />
[[Index:Characteristicks of men, manners, opinions, times Vol 2.djvu]]<br />
[[Index:Characteristicks of men, manners, opinions, times Vol 3.djvu]]
: And now pagelisted (If someone's able to check the index as being contiguous in Vol3 it would be appreciated, if not I'll add it to my own todo list).[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[: Index:Manners and customs of ye Englyshe.djvu]] ==

Where there aren't page numbers what's the numbering convention?.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:Use the DjVu numbers.— [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 16:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
== [[Index:British Flowering Plants.djvu]] ==

Process deletion of this and pages, file is damaged (i.e missing pages). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 16:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:Why delete it instead of fix it up?  It's a shame to lose such good work.—<font style="color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold">[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]</font> <sup><font style="color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none">[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]</font></sup> 16:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:If you can find the missing pages;) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:34, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

::Flipping through the pages of the work at Archive.org, pagination is fine (inclusive) up until [actual] page 160, then it jumps to page 177 (so it is missing [actual] pp. 161-176); from there, it includes pp. 177-192, but then jumps ''back'' to p. 177 and is inclusive till the end of the book.  Couldn't find another copy on IA ''or'' Google books, but that's not to say that another one won't come along in the future.  I'd just make a specific note on the Talk page or the Index page and let it be for now.  [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 19:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

:::I support leaving it be for now, too. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 21:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

:::This is actually how the physical book is. {{smiley}}  Signature 12 has been bound into the book twice (16 pages per sig, so 16 pages missing and 167 pages duped).  To confirm this is not a scanning issue  compare in two tabs [https://archive.org/stream/britishflowering00kirb#page/n299/mode/2up Index] and [https://archive.org/stream/britishflowering00kirb#page/n315/mode/2up Index], the first page of the index has a ripple in both cases, but in a slightly different place (top left). ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]'' <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]</span>, <small>14:03 23  August 2014 (GMT)</small>
::::Copy for sale [http://www.cotswoldinternetbooks.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=182534&keyword=Kirby&searchby=author&offset=0&fs=1 here] at a rather steep £36. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]'' <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]</span>, <small>14:14 23  August 2014 (GMT)</small>
::::[http://www.worldcat.org/title/british-flowering-plants/oclc/335189324&referer=brief_results Library copies] in [http://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=OXVU1&docId=oxfaleph013934155  Oxford] (Radcliffe Science Library), [http://search.lib.cam.ac.uk/?itemid=|cambrdgedb|4997320 University Library Cambridge], [http://main-cat.nls.uk/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=638&recCount=25&recPointer=0&bibId=515231 NLS, Edinburgh] and [https://catalog.lib.uchicago.edu/vufind/Search/Results?type=StandardNumbers&lookfor=49439488 University of Chicago].  Also of course, the [http://primocat.bl.uk/F?func=direct&local_base=ITEMV&doc_number=001974114&con_lng=prm British Libary].  ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]'' <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]</span>, <small>14:42 23  August 2014 (GMT)</small>

== Marginalia ==

[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:United_States_Statutes_at_Large_Volume_123.djvu/2015 Here] and one would imagine in many volumes, one wishes to have text in a margin.  How is this done? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]'' <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]</span>, <small>12:49 23  August 2014 (GMT)</small>

: The most common approach is to use {{tl|sidenote}} and related templates ({{tl|sidenotes begin}}, {{tl|left sidenote}}, etc)). But there's also {{tl|MarginNote}} ([[The_History_Of_England_From_the_Accession_of_James_II/Chapter_II|examples]]) and {{tl|marginal summary}} ([[The Rime of the Ancient Mariner (1817)|examples]]). [[User:Mukkakukaku|Mukkakukaku]] ([[User talk:Mukkakukaku|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::TYVM! ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]'' <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]</span>, <small>16:17 23  August 2014 (GMT)</small>