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''Please read [[Project:How to handle unwanted edits]] to understand what is vandalism to Wikivoyage.''
Anyone can help handle unwanted edits on Wikivoyage. A couple of bad edits can be reverted quickly and easily by the first person to see them. See [[Project:How to revert a page|How to revert a page]] to see how to do this yourself.
However, administrators have some tools that enable them to quickly revert edits by a particular user, and also to temporarily block repeat offenders. Use this page when you need assistance from an administrator, for example when vandalism is occurring at a rapid rate or over an extended period of time. Or even if you have been managing a vandalism attack but are now going offline.
Please list the IP address or user name (use the format <nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Username|Username]] or [[Special:Contributions/IP Address|IP Address]]</nowiki> as the header), pages touched and damage done. Sign your name using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your report. Put the person's IP or username in the edit summary.
See also [[Project:User ban nominations]].
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==Current alerts==
===[[User:178.48.224.108]], [[User:185.14.149.209]], [[User:178.48.229.120]]===
See [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Szentendre&action=history revision history] of the [[Szentendre]] article. This is not a high-volume vandal, but I note the vandalism here, which so far consists of repeatedly deleting thumbnails without explanation. These IPs are currently blocked for 24 hours, but as this seems to be a dynamic-IP user, expect a move to another IP. We should suspend the user for increasingly long periods without notice to its user talk pages, so as not to give it whatever weird satisfaction such attention might draw. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 16:38, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
:See also [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/-Sombrero19- User contributions for -Sombrero19]. Currently up to 1 week's suspension, along with [[User:178.48.229.120]]. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 09:37, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: I suspect this one too [[User:95.215.52.150]] --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 14:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::: Another east European IP address changing destinations [[User:212.87.238.34]]. Although not knowing if this is a real correction or not have left the edit, not sure if should undo [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Zurich&curid=40481&diff=2911702&oldid=2911117 change] --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 16:30, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Yes. The hallmark of this vandal seems to be removing links to Budapest, in addition to removing images from Hungarian articles. Somebody probably had an awful experience in Hungary... [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 16:40, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::[https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Budapest&diff=prev&oldid=2921662 78.92.10.167] [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 14:57, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
===Massive spam account creation attempt===
I just took a look at the abuse filter that catches the annoying Telstra vandal, and I was shock to see that [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&offset=&limit=500&wpSearchFilter=19 since yesterday more than 500 attempts] to create (presumably spam) accounts were made.
I don't think this has anything to do with the Telstra user, but just lucky that the filter blocked this automated account creation process as coming from one of their IP's.
This looks like a serious attack. What can we do to prevent this happening from an IP range that is not blocked? --[[User:Andrewssi2|Andrewssi2]] ([[User talk:Andrewssi2|talk]]) 10:11, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
: They are still going strong, attempting 4 account creations every minute. --[[User:Andrewssi2|Andrewssi2]] ([[User talk:Andrewssi2|talk]]) 11:25, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:: Sorry, looks like I made a mistake in the ip range detection, and a quick fix has stopped this. Please ignore for now. --[[User:Andrewssi2|Andrewssi2]] ([[User talk:Andrewssi2|talk]]) 11:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
===Someone is deleting stuff from Mexico city articles===
Please have a look at [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Mexico_City%2FChapultepec&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=2938263&oldid=2739519 this] [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 03:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:Indeed. I'm especially concerned about [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Mexico_City/Chapultepec&diff=next&oldid=2938266 this edit], which reminds me very much of Internet Brands' M.O. immediately post-fork. I'd love for someone to help suss out what needs to be done here; whether this user seems like an ordinary vandal or something more. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 03:45, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:: I only see this on one page with the [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lucianaviott User:Lucianaviott], have posted a warning. Are there similar edits with other user IDs or IPs? --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 06:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
===[[User:Turbo8000]] is unilaterally changing the spelling of Nazca and Cuzco again===
According to [[Special:Diff/2928961/2951123|this diff]], he's back again and his M.O. seems to not have changed much. Quite frankly I fear that words won't help, but it is worth a try... [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 17:04, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
:And I'll still do it. NaSca and CuSco is the one correct spelling which the government uses. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Turbo8000|<span style="color:blue;">Turbo</span>]][[User talk:Turbo8000|<span style="color:Gold">'''8000'''</span>]]</span> 17:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
::I've rolled back all edits to Peru, because frankly, I don't think it's our job to sort through the edits of users who are clearly unwilling to work within our practices of discussion and consensus. I'm in favour of a 2 week ban; this is simply the same game, and there's no point in assuming good faith here. Any other opinions? [[User:JuliasTravels|JuliasTravels]] ([[User talk:JuliasTravels|talk]]) 18:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I always assume good faith. I can do something: if you ban me for 2 weeks, you'll loose me as an editor here FOREVER. It's unfair to put a bad image for a country, and I don't agree with many many of your personal policies. Let me correct all the articles as I know, ''gringos ignorantes''. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">[[User:Turbo8000|<span style="color:blue;">Turbo</span>]][[User talk:Turbo8000|<span style="color:Gold">'''8000'''</span>]]</span> 19:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
:::: Not really, go for it, I say. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 19:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
::::: There is support for Turbo8000's position, though it's not as clear-cut as he thinks. ([[w:talk:Cusco]], [[:es:w:Discusión:Cuzco]], [[w:talk:Nazca]], [[:es:w:Discusión:Nasca]]). Apart from his assertions of official Peruvian spellings (irrelevant in an English travel guide, unless we want to change ''Warsaw'' to ''Warszawa'', etc.) nobody here has addressed the substance of the arguments. [[User:Turbo8000|Turbo8000]], you have made good contributions to en-Wikivoyage, and I would hate to see you leave, but consensus-building through reasoned, civil discussion is the Wikimedia way. [[User:Peter Chastain|Peter Chastain]] ([[User talk:Peter Chastain|talk]]) 20:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::Please see [[Wikivoyage:User ban nominations#2016-03-04 incident]]. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 20:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
===Edits to the country article template===
Have a look at [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage%3ACountry_article_template&type=revision&diff=2952085&oldid=2764065 these edits] - I thought, I'd raise it here, please move it to another place if that is more appropriate. What should we do? Edited to add: I have rolled back the edits in question for now. I fear the user may be under some kind of misapprehension due to talk page messages and have written on his talk page. What else should be done at this point? [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 23:52, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
:In my opinion, nothing. Thanks for taking the correct action. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 00:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
===Edit warring by dynamic IP user in [[Hajar Mountains]] article===
Please see [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&action=history Revision History]. I am blocking every IP that continues to edit war for 3 months for block evasion after an initial block of 2 hours, then 1 day. There are so many IPs that it's a waste of time to post to each new one's user talk page, and no user talk page or edit messages are read, anyway. I'd suggest a filter is urgently needed for this authoritarian user who insists on his/her own way and refuses to engage in any discussion about his/her edits. The point isn't the relative triviality of the edits themselves, but that this user is irritating people and engaging in intolerable edit warring. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 15:19, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
:Realizing that blocking dynamic IP addresses over and over again is a total waste of time, I've [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=prev&oldid=2955675 protected the article, allowing only autoconfirmed users to edit it for a day]. I think the protection should be extended, as this authoritarian user will undoubtedly revert again tomorrow. Please comment. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 15:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
::And now, look at the user creation log. A whole bunch of names that obviously have to be blocked... [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 15:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
* Maybe the protection would better be extended? I support this measure, in case the need is confirmed. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 16:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
::I think so, but the better solution would be to create an effective filter and lift the protection. If the filter won't be ready by tomorrow, though, we should probably protect the article for a few days or a week. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 20:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Under the circumstances, I think we'd better extend the protection for at least another day, to give time for a filter to be created. We need to filter out these dynamic IPs, which should also take care of the troll new usernames containing my screen name. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 03:16, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
::::I also [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Central_Coastal_Oman&curid=6460&diff=2955969&oldid=2955296 reverted the IP user's edit] in [[Central Coastal Oman]] applied protection for 2 days. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 05:28, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::These are awfully draconian measures for a relatively minor issue of wording choice. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 23:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::It's not about wording choice, and I'm pretty shocked that you're reacting this way. It's about a single person attempting to dictate the precise language s/he wants, through edit warring, block evasion, and finally, making up a series of abusive usernames. This IP user's actions, as you can see in the talk threads I linked, were upsetting one of the better content-creators on this site. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 23:45, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I see I didn't link the talk pages: [[Talk:Central Coastal Oman]], [[Talk:Hajar Mountains#Syntax]]. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 23:47, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I agree that edit warring is bad, but sometimes our actions contribute. In cases like these, where the editor's change is not plainly unacceptable, I prefer to switch to a slow revert mode before breaking out the block function and the protection tools. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 01:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Did you see how many times this editor had warred before further action was taken? Would you have wasted weeks reverting? Days? This IP user was obviously willing to edit war forever. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 01:57, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, that's precisely my point. The reason he/she was able to do it so often is because his/her edits were so quickly reverted. A more patient reversion process would have been less antagonistic and increased the chances of the user losing interest before an edit war developed. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 01:23, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::You're suggesting that the reverts should have stood for a day or so each time? I really don't think that would have worked, nor that people should be able to successfully edit war, instead of achieving a consensus behind edits that are controversial, no matter how relatively unimportant they may be. It's the principle of collaboration, not dictating things unilaterally, that's central to Wikis. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 03:26, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not the importance, it's the harmfulness. These were not blatantly harmful edits, merely ones that you disagreed with (legitimately). From a neutral perspective, the natural response to having one's edits repeatedly reverted is to repeatedly revert them back. That's an edit war, yes, but it takes two to have an edit war. It's more productive, in situations where the edit is not plainly harmful, to take a step back and let the user's edit stand for a bit rather than antagonizing the user by repeatedly and immediately reverting what seems like a legitimate change to that user. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 21:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
(unindent)Let me recap here. [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&type=revision&diff=2955002&oldid=2953886 In these two edits], [[User:159.122.86.41]] removed a gloss of the word ''wadi'' and the phrase "although technically". These are minor edits at best, which I agree did not improve the article, but neither were they actively harmful. [[User:StellarD]] then [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955002 re-added the "although technically" wording with an explanation]. A different IP user, [[User:209.172.52.136]] then changed "technically" to "correctly" -- a perfectly valid edit. This was immediately met by [[User:Ikan Kekek]] [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955281 reverting the change], accusing the IP user of "edit warring", sarcastically referring to "overcorrecting", and suggesting that the user "argue with OED on the talk page". Unless I'm missing a fine point in the chronology here, or if you had prior dealings with one or both IP addresses, this is a stunningly hostile reaction to what seem to me be to be perfectly normal edits. Note that this all occurs ''before'' the edit warring actually begins. I really hope you can help me understand what I'm missing here. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 21:24, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:If I may, it seems like [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan]]'s accusation of edit warring hinged on the assumption that [[User:159.122.86.41]] and [[User:209.172.52.136]] were the same user using different IP addresses. Given the fact that both of those edits were to the same word in the same article, occurred less than a day apart, and came with similarly snippy edit summaries - and especially given how the situation developed afterward - it's hard if not impossible to argue against the accuracy of that assumption. That being the case, the IP user was indeed edit warring. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 21:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you for explaining. And [[User:LtPowers|Powers]], you're actually defending edit warring as a "natural response"? This is a Wiki. The natural response should be to discuss the desired edit and come to a consensus before redoing that edit, not to restore it over and over and then create a bunch of abusive screen names after the article is protected. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 23:03, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::And by the way, yes, I do strongly believe I've dealt with this IP user before, as I've dealt with a dynamic IP user that uses identical edit summaries, edit wars, seldom posts to talk pages and then always refuses to sign their posts, and is always changing anything vaguely reminiscent of American English to a quasi-British English with typos, while also eliminating nice points of style. I usually grudgingly tolerate their edits, but whenever I push back, this user tends to immediately revert my edits. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 23:38, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::As I was tagged here, I would like to add a couple of point to the discussion. I believe the anonymous editor on Hajar Mountains and Central Coastal Oman likely earlier edited [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Dhofar&action=history Dhofar]; please see [[Talk:Dhofar#October_to_May]]. It may also be this same individual who has been changing times in other Oman articles from 12-hour to 24-hour, albeit in a random fashion so that for example [[Muscat]] is now a mess with both formats in use. And now s/he is [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Oman&curid=25909&diff=2960796&oldid=2928182 rewriting] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Oman#Late_19th_and_early_20th_centuries Omani] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscat_and_Oman#Insurgency_and_oil_drilling history]. –[[User:StellarD|StellarD]] ([[User talk:StellarD|talk]]) 10:06, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::My point is that there was no edit warring until after Ikan already accused the user of such. Unless, as I said, I've erred in my chronology somewhere, in which case I'd gladly accept correction. I would much prefer to be wrong about this. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 18:57, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::It's already been explained to you why you're wrong. Please reread this thread. I feel like you have a strong tendency to support problem users instead of fellow admins and constructive users, even to the extent of favoring them and making contortions like this in order to claim that a dynamic IP user wasn't edit warring until s/he happened to use the same IP a couple of times to edit war. There, I made it explicit. And I don't appreciate feeling undercut on that basis. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 21:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm trying to identify why you felt these users were a problem, but you're not cooperating. I laid out the timeline above; where did I go wrong? [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 18:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::: Sorry to jump in, but I think this thread is suggesting accusations of bad faith that are not helpful. Can we agree that: 1) this particular edit was a minor issue, and on its own not enough to justify an escalation, but 2) if Ikan or another trusted user says that there is a history that justifies escalation we should take them at their word unless there is specific reason for concern? We don't want to bite the newbies, but we also shouldn't be making life more difficult for respected users for exercising their best judgement when they say they've identified a problem. Assuming those two points are agreeable, can we let this thread rest and move on? -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] • ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) • 19:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::: I'm afraid I don't agree with #2. There's no need to simply take anyone at their word when we have full edit histories available that can clearly document a pattern of abuse. At the moment, though, I'm not seeing it, and I've asked for help understanding what I'm missing. I am very concerned because since losing several contributors a couple of years ago we now seem to have taken the opposite stance, of complete intolerance for anything resembling contentious behavior. We have lost the patience that was once this community's hallmark. If Ikan had good reason to accuse the IPs of edit warring, I think he should be able to explain what that reason was. If there was no good reason, then we need to address how a baseless accusation can escalate a situation and lead to a block such as the one imposed here. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 18:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I say good riddance to the "patience" you describe. Perhaps that type of naïveté was a luxury we could afford when we were a smaller community with a proportionately lower rate of vandalism. But things are different now that we've grown, and Peter and Jan's departure was in that sense an awakening to reality. The fact is that most people who come on to a wiki like ours and behave uncivilly are perfectly cognizant of what they are doing, and we admins are tasked with responding accordingly. The idea that incivility is a product of inexperience as an editor, and that we can train up vandals and trolls to be constructive contributors if only we are patient with them and keep appealing to their good sides, has proven itself time and again to be a lot of naïve piffle. Frankly, I think it's rather insulting to the majority of new editors who come to the site and contribute constructively, to categorize the good-faith newbie mistakes they might make in the beginning as even potentially equivalent to vandalism or trolling. Vandals and trolls, in the vast majority of cases, arrive at Wikivoyage with very different intentions than they do. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 18:57, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Powers, the nature of the edit warring has been explained to you; you just aren't willing to understand the nature of a dynamic IP, it would seem. I don't feel like wasting time in further discussion about this because I can't explain it any better than it's already been explained. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 05:39, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, I understand the dynamic IP. You identified the two IP addresses as the same person. I understand that. What I am asking for is to see where the edit war was at the time you made the edit comment that mentioned "edit warring". I do not see it.
::::::::::::As for naive piffle, the very issue we're discussing is how to distinguish vandals and trolls from good-faith newbies. It is dangerous and detrimental to jump to the conclusion of the former. It has nothing to do with reforming bad-faith editors and everything to do with avoiding false positives.
::::::::::::[[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 00:52, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
It's obvious that our tolerance levels have shifted, and I agree with [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]]. I've seen the amount of contributors and time wasted over a handful of non-contributors who tie us in knots. Also, I've seen the work that [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] has done patrolling this site over many years, with patience, advice and good nature - that he's earned the respect of the community to have a few calls made on instinct (I don't know if this was one of those cases or not). I agree [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] and [[[[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] respectively, that we need a discussion of how we now make our guidelines hit people who aren't here to make a travel guide quickly, but balance that against the false positives. And that we need to let this instance go, and work on clear policy going forward on the appropriate pages. --[[User:Inas|Inas]] ([[User talk:Inas|talk]]) 02:03, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
:Basically agree with Inas here and support the really good work Ikan has done here over the years. It is fine to have a discussion around how we deal with scenarios such as this, but I really don't see why this particular example has to be labored so much. [[User:Andrewssi2|Andrewssi2]] ([[User talk:Andrewssi2|talk]]) 02:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
::For clarification, here are all the edits in question, by various anonymous IPs as well as by myself and administrators. I fail to see why this is ''not'' an edit war.
::[https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=prev&oldid=2953748 #1] (scroll down to line 130 to see the change), [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2953883 #2], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2953886 #3], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955002 #4], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955125 #5], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955281 #6], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955486 #7], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955611 #8], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955622 #9], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955630 #10], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955642 #11], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955644 #12], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955654 #13], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955658 #14], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955663 #15], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955664 #16], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955667 #17], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955668 #18], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955672 #19], [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hajar_Mountains&diff=next&oldid=2955673 #20]. Yes, the difference in wording is minor, but attempts to come to an agreement in a civil, rational manner [[Talk:Hajar_Mountains#Syntax|failed]].
::There was a similar pattern with [[Central Coastal Oman]], and with [[Dhofar]]. The edit style and tone of the anonymous IP on the [[Talk:Dhofar#October_to_May|talk page]] are I think suspiciously similar to those by a rather unpleasant character who has edited here in the past.
::I do not understand why anyone here would tolerate this behavior, or question [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]]'s judgement in handling this. –[[User:StellarD|StellarD]] ([[User talk:StellarD|talk]]) 09:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you for taking the time to thoroughly document this. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 09:34, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
::::I am sorry, StellarD, but I think this reinforces my point. Ikan called accused the user of edit warring in your link #6. Links #1-5, though, ''do not constitute an edit war'' (even if we assume the IPs are the same user) because edits #3 and #5 involved apparently good-faith attempts to adjust the wording to be acceptable, rather than simply re-instating the same wording as in #1. The edit war that ensued *after* Ikan's accusation was of course unacceptable, but it's not edit warring to attempt to alter prose to find consensus wording. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 14:51, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::Does anyone agree with Powers' interpretation of the events? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 01:40, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::All due respect, I'm trying and failing to follow his logic, let alone agree with him. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 02:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Could you explain where I've been unclear? The editor in question made three different edits to the article in question before being accused of edit warring. Making different edits is not edit warring. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <small><sup>([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]])</sup></small> 00:30, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
===Our old friend [[User:Turbo8000]]===
Hello, Wikivoyagers. Not sure if the community is aware of this, or if you even need to be, but it seems that (the now globally-locked) Turbo8000 has been identified by Dutch Wikipedia as one of [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Checklijst_langdurig_structureel_vandalisme/Ge%C3%B3grafo23 hundreds of sockpuppets used by the same vandal] to cause trouble across various Wikis since 2012. I don't suppose this changes anything really, the guy is still indefblocked here, just that it may help everyone to know how extremely persistent this individual is in their disruptive and malicious behaviour, and that it's fairly likely they will resurface on Wikivoyage under a different name at some point in the future. Apologies if this information is either in the wrong place or not useful / appropriate. Thanks, good evening --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 00:12, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads-up, TT. I'll be sure to keep an eye out, and I'm sure others will too. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 01:14, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:: He has [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Turbo8000 indeed been busy], and the reaction from each WV community has been the same. We were right to try and help him down the collaborative path, and even take every effort to do so. Wikis are not for everyone I guess. --[[User:Andrewssi2|Andrewssi2]] ([[User talk:Andrewssi2|talk]]) 21:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Based on what we knew (or rather didn't know) at the time, I agree completely. --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 23:34, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
===[[Baghdad]]===
Over the last couple of days [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Baghdad&action=history different IPs have vandalized the Baghdad article]. Should the article be protected? [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 11:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
===Various commercial spambots===
See [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Log/block block log]. But they keep creating more; see [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers user creation log]. In all likelihood, all the users created on Sept. 21 are spambots, and [[User:Toplistproductcom]] clearly is because [[User:Toplistpro]] was, and I'd like to block it preemptively. Any ideas on how to filter them out before they have to all be blocked manually, with their edits rolled back? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 07:23, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
: Looking at [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]], I think anything containing "Top list", "top 10" and what have you, ought to be blacklisted for some time. And sooner rather than later. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 08:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
::This problem seems to have died down at the moment, I think, but let's keep on the lookout for it. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 08:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
===Dubai edits===
Two accounts have today added listings in Dubai articles that look like normal touting, except for the fact that the listing "content" field is the typical "what a well-written blog" text that spambots generally add. It seems highly unlikely that any real world user would add that sort of content, but until it's clear what's going on then it's worthwhile keeping an eye on any edits to [[Dubai]], or any other article where the listing content field appears to be spambot generated. See [[Special:Contributions/Radissonblu123]] and [[Special:Contributions/Jadisinteriors]] for the accounts I've reverted so far. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] • ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) • 19:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
===3 obviously dynamic IPs ([[User:2a02:ab88:33c2:bf00:7de3:3637:1e4e:8925]], [[User:2a02:ab88:33c2:bf00:1584:f170:acb7:5bcb]], [[User:2a02:ab88:33c2:bf00:b035:2bdd:851f:3f73]]) and [[User:-Sombrero19-]] in the [[Debrecen]] article===
See [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Debrecen&action=history revision history] for the edit warring over an unexplained deletion of a listing. Also see the thread at [[Wikivoyage talk:How to handle unwanted edits#Edit warring in the Debrecen article]]. I will block the one non-IP address, but we need a range block to deal with vandalistic edit warring by dynamic IPs. Please help. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 08:15, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
:Since [[User:-Sombrero19-]] was previously blocked for 1 week for vandalism, I have blocked that account and the IP addresses for 2 weeks, but I fully expect another dynamic IP to continue the edit warring. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 08:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
::Because of the way IPv6 works, it is common for providers to issue a huge /64 - sized block to individual end users, which then use it to assign individual addresses to every machine on a LAN - maybe even using the lower 64 bits to hold the entire serial number of each PC's network card. Yes, a /64 is sixteen billion billion addresses; such is the absurdity of IPv6 and 128-bits of address. Most blocks therefore will be range blocks, so 2a02:ab88:33c2:bf00::0/64 is likely to be one end user's local area network and a valid range for a range block. [[User:K7L|K7L]] ([[User talk:K7L|talk]]) 02:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Ultimately we are blocking that whole (Hungarian) ISP in question. About as targeted as it can get.. --[[User:Andrewssi2|Andrewssi2]] ([[User talk:Andrewssi2|talk]]) 03:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
::::After another instance of the vandalism, I semi-protected the article for a month. Hopefully this clears things up. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 17:38, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::Strange, the filter should have caught that. Adjusted and hopefully catch next time. [[User:Andrewssi2|Andrewssi2]] ([[User talk:Andrewssi2|talk]]) 22:48, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::::The new vandalism was done by an ordinary IPv4 address, but with the same pattern of unexplained deletion. The more IP addresses the user reveals himself to have at his disposal, the more it becomes the simpler solution to protect the article rather than block the user, especially if the user is only targeting the one article. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 00:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
===Another head of the Telstra?===
[https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/GetawayTravelFan205 have a look] [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 19:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheGreatAdventureTraveller103 it is]. --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 19:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
===IP 41===
Some "funny" person [http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=41.77.91.200 apparently] in [[Gaborone]] has been writing weird stuff in our policy articles for three days in a row now, see [[Special:Contributions/41.77.91.200]], [[Special:Contributions/41.138.78.51]] and [[Special:Contributions/41.223.143.173]]. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 16:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
===[[Special:Contributions/Rosaann1|Rosaann1]]===
This user has twice written what appear to be genuine answers to questions posed at the [[tourist office]], but which contain links to spam websites unrelated to the topic. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this user, but have reverted their contributions for safe measure. Would others mind taking a quick look at the edits to make sure they are what I suspect? Thanks, --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{done}}. We block spambots indefinitely, and while this account clearly represents a real live person rather than a bot, given the nature of the contribution history I see no reason to treat him or her differently. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 17:18, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
===[[User:(WT-en) Budget tours]] speedy delete===
Can I get a speedy delete for [[User:(WT-en) Budget tours]] please? This ten-year old userspace spam page was imported from Wikitravel; I can't tag it as the page is protected. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] ([[User talk:MER-C|talk]]) 12:41, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
*Please also delete [[User:(WT-en) SandRa]] for the same reason. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] ([[User talk:MER-C|talk]]) 12:54, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
* {{tick}} Done. [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] ([[User talk:Pashley|talk]]) 13:01, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
===IP vandalism: 69.178.195.4 ===
[[Special:Contributions/69.178.195.4|69.178.195.4]] is replacing article text with offensive language. Please block as soon as possible. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 01:14, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|AndreCarrotflower}} Thank you. Could you also revision-delete the edit at [[Lakes and Gardens]] please? —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 01:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
::{{Done}} -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 01:49, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
===Advertising spam===
[[Special:Contributions/Whiteleaf30|Whiteleaf30]] – please block and delete the pages they've created. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 14:21, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
===[[User:Yuhbruh000]] vandalism===
Ongoing vandalism-only account. Suggest indef block. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b style="color: green;"><sup>Talk page</sup></b>]] 17:39, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
: Have blocked indef --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 17:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
::Back with [[user:173.76.255.83]], have block a month as is IP address. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 18:22, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Blocked [[107.242.113.7]] for similar vandalism, as well as [[2605:6000:8D47:5800:FD73:E71:9357:77FB]], an anonymous [[:w:Concern troll|concern troll]] with no previous edits who popped up seconds later on the article's talk page to report the previous user's vandalism. Please be on the lookout for more sophisticated tactics than usual. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 19:06, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
===User page "experimentation" by IP editor(s)===
This is a bit pecular: an IP editor is editing user pages/talk pages with nonsense. My initial assumption is that they are experimenting and don't know any better. These are the edits in question: [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:106.192.58.166&curid=161988&action=history] by 106.192.58.166 and [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User:Glenfern18&curid=161987&action=history] by 106.192.66.250 .
Since they are creating a new page, I don't have a handy revert button to remove these / not sure how to handle it. It's two different IPs doing this, but maybe it's the same person? I'm new to this, excuse my lack of expertise. [[User:DethDestroyerOfWords|DethDestroyerOfWords]] ([[User talk:DethDestroyerOfWords|talk]]) 16:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:The first edit was made to the IP's own talk page, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. The second was an act of vandalism of another user's page which I have deleted. Since this has as far as I can see only happened twice, and there's no evidence to suggest the same person was behind both edits, there's not really any harm done. But we can all look out for similar edits in the future, so thanks for bringing it to light. --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 17:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
=== Page deletion/redirect===
Two new pages were created, one is filled with garbage for a place I don't think exists [[Broome,_WA]]. The other is a misspelling/alternate spelling of an article that already exists [[Ulanbaatar]] (should be [[Ulaanbaatar]]). The Broom, WA one is vandalism. I put a speedy deletion tag on both of them, but is that the proper protocol? [[User:DethDestroyerOfWords|DethDestroyerOfWords]] ([[User talk:DethDestroyerOfWords|talk]]) 22:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
: [[w:Broome, Western Australia]] exists. Both pages could be redirected. [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] ([[User talk:Pashley|talk]]) 20:40, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::At the time, the page's content said Broome, Washington. I searched for that and couldn't find it, hence my mistake at thinking it didn't exist. [[User:DethDestroyerOfWords|DethDestroyerOfWords]] ([[User talk:DethDestroyerOfWords|talk]]) 21:45, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
=== [[User:AnusRectumAnusAnusRectum]] vandalism ===
Vandalism at the [[pub]]. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 19:13, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:Blocked. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 19:16, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
=== [[User:Bedbroker]] and [[User: 80.27.243.222]]===
Blocked as [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bedbroker adding large number of hotels] with links to websites that are not the official websites of the respective hotels. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 19:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
=== [[User:Vāndalism Therapy]] ===
Cross-wiki vandal. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 21:14, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
=== Massive IP vandalism in the [[Khon Kaen]] article ===
Some disturbed individual has been running amok on the [[Khon Kaen]] for quite a while now, see [[Special:Contributions/128.227.146.146]] and [[Special:Contributions/128.227.14.241]]. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 18:36, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
===Possible sock puppet===
Not sure about the content of [[Crespina]]. Suspect [[Előszállás]] and [[Sherwood Content]] same author when look at users KittyHawk5885 Freeman1973 Larko3424 Lorrikot354, although content appears to be correct is not of much use. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 21:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:Looks like Telstra's back at it. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 23:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::If it is Telstra (any way of verifying that?), the ''modus operandi'' is slightly more sophisticated, as before they always seemed to use similar usernames, 'The Great Traveller', or something along those lines. --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 08:17, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::: Maybe also [[Shipka]]: users Avidster11 , Tettar242
:::: [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/121.222.135.92 Brisbane IP]
:::::I posted messages to those 2 usernames' user talk pages. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 09:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
: [[Gladenbach]] user AmirsDraw040 --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 16:20, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:: I'm not so sure about that one. The user could have added more, but there is at least a proper template, including the bottom of the page stuff, and one see, eat and sleep listing with contact info; if that user or anyone else adds 'Get in', then you've got a usable article. --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 17:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
==="Wheels" vandal===
Over the last few weeks a vandal keeps coming on with different accounts, but they're all the same person because they always use the same wording. His edits keep getting reverted, of course, and he keeps getting blocked, but then he comes back with a different account. What can we do to stop this? Also, he'll always replace a piece of text with "North Korea is good" or "Taiwan should be in China" or "Putin is good", or something with "wheels" in it, so if you see these things, you'll know who the vandal is. I know he's been using the usernames "Taiwan belongs to the People's Republic of China (on WheeIs)", "Russia War Alliance", and probably "North Korea is best Korea on tyres". A little while ago, he even messed up my talk page.
Sorry, I did a ''faux pas'' on the last one by commenting in the edit summary. I won't do this in future. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:44, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
: The same sort of vandalism has popped up every now and then over the last years, it may or may not be by the same user. "(Willy) on wheels" is a form of vandalism that has existed on Wikipedia for more than a decade. [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/mar/25/wikipedia.web20 Here] and [https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/magazine/01WIKIPEDIA-t.html here] are news articles from 2007 (yes) about wikis getting vandalized mentioning this particular vandal(ism) and if you're bored you can google "willy on wheels vandal".
: In short; some kind of filter could be useful. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 21:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
::Yes, what we perhaps need to do is reject any username that signs up with the words "on wheels" in it and perhaps we should lock the articles [[North Korea]], [[China]], [[Taiwan]], and the [[United States]] - things he's likely to edit and he has done so in the past. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 21:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::fuerdai could also be autoblocked, I suppose. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 04:12, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Also, what if there was a system on Wikivoyage that automatically reverted all of someone's edits if they were blocked? This would help when it comes to reverting edits. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 04:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::There is no such function, though there are some useful, though much less all-encompassing tools admins can use. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 08:19, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
===Possible sockpuppets===
I didn't really notice this until after I sent a "Welcome to Wikivoyage" letter to one of the possible sockpuppets, but here they are: around 12:00 on June 9th, four users signed up, all with doubled letters in their name and numbers (usually two) at the end. This seems rather suspicious - check out the users [[User talk:Tennock580|Tennock580]], JimTurrell48, JohnRyllock48, and Tyrrock58. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 14:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:That's the Telstra vandal, who we've been following for some time. See [[Wikivoyage:User ban nominations/Archive#Telstra vandal]], [[Wikivoyage:User ban nominations/Archive#BrendanJohnWilliams2004]], [[Wikivoyage:User ban nominations/Archive#Brendan John Williams]], and probably other threads for a detailed chronology of his activities. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 14:41, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::There are spambots which bulk-create accounts with that pattern; any MediaWiki installation without a strong CAPTCHA tends to be infested with them. Without looking at the contributions, I'd be hard-pressed to say whether they match the Telstra pattern. [[User:K7L|K7L]] ([[User talk:K7L|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::What I don't understand, though, is why adding a few words (like [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Ghana&type=revision&diff=3530569&oldid=3527668&diffmode=source this]) is vandalism. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 14:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Because it's a typical Telstra edit, copied without real understanding from some unacknowledged source. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 23:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::I can see now how those kinds of actions, when continued over a period of time without actually communicating with anyone else on WV, is like vandalism. I'm watching for Telstra now. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 19:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
===Telstra vandalism?===
[https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Raqqa&action=history Yea or nay]? The editing pattern is suspicious, as is the page - [[Raqqa]], yes ''that'' Raqqa - they have created. If "yea", are they all Telstra? What about 'Libertarianmoderate', who has a [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Libertarianmoderate proper user page] and even engages in discussions? I'm not sure about this one, so would appreciate second and third opinions. --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 12:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:As you can see in the comment above, I don't really understand the Telstra vandal thing, <s>but the [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Libertarianmoderate Libertarianmoderate] seems to be okay</s>see discussion below<s>: except for that user's political reference, that is, which it's best to stay out of</s>.[[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 14:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
::Having [[User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!#Recreated_articles|received]] [[Talk:Ar_Rutba|messages]] from Libertarianmoderate, I don't think s/he is a vandal, just a new user who's not very familiar with our site, but who seems willing and ready to work collaboratively.
::I am still suspicious about the other users who edited [[Raqqa]] soon after Libertarianmoderate was done.
::{{ping|SelfieCity}} As far as I know, we have no prohibitions on sharing one's political views on Wikivoyage, as long as said views don't hinder the creation of good content. --[[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 17:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I thinking more of articles. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 23:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
===WT "Satan" vandalism===
[[User:Libertarianmoderate]] created a page called [[The Great Satan]] and redirected it to WT. I blanked the redirect text, but I can't delete the page and need an admin for this. Considering the discussion in the pub a little while ago, this is really serious. This guy needs to be blocked, really. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:39, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:Anything you can do, [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]]? [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:Ibaman]] I'm deeply concerned by your decision to unilaterally indefban this user. Why didn't you impose a short ban to prevent any further vandalism, then go to [[WV:User ban nominations]] and put this issue to the community? I understand he has vandalised the project, but he has also [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Libertarianmoderate contributed] positively, shown willing to [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!#Region_map_changes understand our policies] and [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Traveler100#Afghanistan work with others]. Furthermore, he has written an [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Libertarianmoderate#I_owe_you_an_apology._Or_two._Or_30. apology] on his user talk page for his actions. It is my view that an indefinite ban is a disproportionate response to what I understand is a single act of vandalism from a user who has showed promise. At the very least this should be discussed further at [[WV:User ban nominations]]. [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 23:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:::First, [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]], thanks for your response, but this is not a one-time thing he's done. He also created some issues on the extremely important and carefully-written page [[Wikivoyage:Wikivoyage and Wikitravel]] and has been doing many reorganizations and region article creations without asking the community first. So far, he's been more of a problem for the community than a help, and has before gotten angry at people, including you; also, he made the apology after he was blocked. I think it's sometimes better to block these people, although I think indefinite limit to the time block was quite strong.
::: Also, I believe the way [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] operates on bans is that he bans indefinitely and sees if the user will come back and apologize. I don't think this is a great solution and I think it might discourage more people than encourage them to contribute more wisely, but that's the way he does it. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 00:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::::But whether that is the way Ibaman does it or not is not the point. We have [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:How_to_handle_unwanted_edits policies] that set out how to approach these issues in a methodical, consistent and fair way and "permabanning in a bid to force an apology" is not one of them!
::::[https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage%3AWikivoyage_and_Wikitravel&type=revision&diff=3534544&oldid=3534538 This], which I was not aware of before, looks like a joke, albeit one in poor taste.
::::I am not aware of any anger towards me; in our few discussions, he has been polite. If there are instances of anger directed at others, then these should be brought to light at, and I'll repeat myself again, [[WV:User ban nominations]]. [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 00:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
* I'm sorry to have my hands full in the moment but as soon as I can I'll join the discussion. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 00:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:No problem. I need to go to bed anyhow :-) [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 00:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:I must say "indefban and hope they apologize" doesn't seem like the right way to me. At least in this case the user ''does'' know what they are being punished for (any punishment should be dealt out with a clear reason given). I think we can afford to give this user enough rope to hang himself with. [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 01:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
I think that for someone who has shown intent to be a constructive contributor, an indefinite ban on a first offence is extreme, even for vandalism. Escalating blocks are more appropriate. For vandalism-only accounts, a permanent ban is a reasonable use of our limited resources, and I'm quite sure that I've never seen someone who starts off as a vandal be turned into a constructive contributor through patience and forgiveness. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 03:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::Copied from [[User talk:Ibaman]]: On the face of it, if he's apologized, he shouldn't be permanently banned, but we need to watch him very closely, and if he ever does something like this again, he should face a long ban of at least a month, as this is a more serious offense than touting/edit warring on a single page. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 04:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::Added here: Thank you, Ibaman, for dealing with this. We can shorten a block, but it was important for someone to act. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 04:28, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::I agree: action was necessary, and thanks to Ibaman for taking care of this. I propose that we reduce this to a three-day block, and escalate if the problem recurs. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 04:31, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::::: Even though I deleted some of Libertarianmoderate entries and suggest merging of others I am tempted to assume good intent here and unblock the user. However does my memory serve me right that we have had Chicago contributors in the past discussing anger issues? Also generally I think we need to think how to differentiate between vandalism and disruptive editing. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 06:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::: A three-day block seems appropriate, with escalation to at least two weeks if there are any further problems. We also need to make it clear that having anger issues is no excuse for behaving inappropriately. We can and should forgive mistakes, but we must have no tolerance towards intentional abuse directed at other users.
::::::For the sake of transparency, I will just add that I found out about this because the user emailed me last night, clearly upset and surprised. I know what he's done is serious, but I also think he knows that too, and is remorseful. I am hopeful that this will mean good conduct from now on. [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 07:16, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
{{outdent}}Looks like we might have an attempt at block evasion here: according to the [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers user creation log], a new account for [[User:LibMod]] was created at 17:30 UST, 23 June 2018, only a day and a half into what's supposed to be a three-day block for [[User:Libertarianmoderate]]. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 18:20, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:Could be a coincidence, but I have a bad feeling it's not. I wonder if this guy is a real vandal pretending to be someone else. Plus, the fact he personally emailed an administrator is odd and almost seems like a threat. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 19:13, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
===Telstra===
What do you think of [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jendick447 this user]? How would a new user know about formatting on their first edit, anyway? And username (numbers are warning sign) is suspicious. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 21:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:It's a warning sign, indeed. But the user hasn't done anything wrong, and if it is Telstra, that account will never be used again. Good spot, [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 20:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::Editing articles from Illinois (like many edits of our new friend LM discussed above), Afghanistan (also LM) and Australia (at one point, incarnations of Telstra concentrated on Australian articles, where they come from). Just saying. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 19:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::[[Australia]]. Interesting. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 19:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::::And [[Illinois]] and [[Afghanistan]]. Could this be the bridge between LM and Telstra? Or are we looking at this too closely? [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 19:36, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't seem like Telstra because LM responds to comments and says things, unlike Telstra. I don't want to condemn anyone, but it is suspicious. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 19:38, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I've now been looking at some edit history. The article in Afghanistan that Jendick447 edited ([[Helmand Province (Afghanistan)|Helmand Province]]) had also been edited by LM a couple hours earlier. Jendick447's edit to the Helmand Province article was changing the ispartof from [[Afghanistan]] to [[South Afghanistan]]. Just an hour or two before Jendick447 linked Helmand Province to South Afghanistan, LM made [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=South_Afghanistan&type=revision&diff=3537738&oldid=3537688&diffmode=source this edit], which mentioned Helmand Province. So it seems that LM mentioned Helmand Province in South Afghanistan, and only a couple hours later Jendick447 was mentioning South Afghanistan in the Helmand Province article. That's starting to convince me that these two might really be the same person. Has Telstra struck again? [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 19:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:And more evidence. JenDick447 make some fairly substantial contributions to [[Lashkargah]] (and JenDick447's contributions by the way mentioned Helmand Province). Lashkargah was created by — guess who? LM. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 19:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::Also, WikiWrecker321 edited [[Raqqa]] and LM's userpage. Could LM and WikiWrecker be the same person pretending to be different people? This could be much bigger than we imagined. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Could also be good old [[pcv]] who is back, haven't seen that one in a while. They also sometimes use numbers in their user names, and [[Special:Contributions/DumfriesNative|their last incarnation]] said stuff about reporting administrators to the authorities and believed one admin wanted them to commit suicide. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 20:03, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Devoting attention to idle speculation about grand conspiracies, and wondering whether vandalistic accounts are connected or in cahoots with each other, only encourages more vandalism. Vandals [[:w:Wikipedia:Deny recognition|want recognition]]. We can deny them that recognition, assume the accounts are unrelated, and act accordingly on problematic behavior and achieve the same result. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 20:09, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but I think we can take action now—we've discovered that both LM and Jendick447 have both edited [[Helmand Province (Afghanistan)]] and [[Midlothian (Illinois)]]. I'd say we should consider some action which would deal with LM. No more need to speculate now; I've looked through and the connections are obvious. And the connections are important—sockpuppeting is an offense, and these are clearly sockpuppets. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:15, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::: So the Telstra just picked up on an ongoing edit issue, do not read to much into this. If Telstra make a good edit just ignore it. If vandalism simple undo. Do not go to deep into this unless you are willing to spend and possible waist a lot of time.--[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 20:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]], [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]]: your suggestions would be fine, except that LM, one of the sockpuppets, has been making a lot of contributions to the site, interacted with others, etc. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]], as you know, was quickly reprimanded for indefintely blocking LM and LM's block was reduced. But if he's a sockpuppet and possibly a vandal, let's go for indefban. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: it is not the same person. Do not let these minor things get to you. An undo is only a click away. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 20:36, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
{{outdent}}Really? So 2/30,000 odds occurred? Both editing the same pages? Not the same person? I find that hard to believe. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:39, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|SelfieCity}} Please do not start assuming other new users are the same person. Do not jump to conclusions. Recommend you back off before you end up being collateral damage.. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 20:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::All right. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:44, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm looking through it again, and I think you're right actually. Jendick447 were quite possibly just looking through recent changes and happened to make edits to pages related to LM. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:51, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Sorry for assuming without thinking over enough. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 20:58, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::::: No problem, just do not want you wasting your time. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 21:05, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 22:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
===The "Grand Conspiracy"===
You know, I expected far better from the managers of the largest travel site on the internet. I make a mistake, and suddenly, I'm part of a grand conspiracy? I know the fact that I create pages about dangerous places (like Raqqa, for instance) is unusual, but I am doing it for a very good reason: It's an area of study that I'm very familiar with, as I closely follow the situation in the middle east. For proof, I do articles on Illinois because I'm from there, and I know the area well. If creating articles about dangerous places is grounds for conspiracy charges, then the guy who created the Ramadi article should also be banned, charged with conspiracy, and permanently labeled a Telstra vandal.
Also, yes, I do believe Rojava should be an independent state. But I created an article for it mostly for practical reasons, as the situation there is very different from that of Palmyra, even though they were originally part of the same Wikivoyage-defined region. That's why we treat Abkhazia, for example, as a separate country from Georgia, because the situation in Abkhazia is very different from that of Georgia. I discussed this with K7L and ThunderingTyphoons! recently. [[User:Libertarianmoderate|Libertarianmoderate]] ([[User talk:Libertarianmoderate|talk]]) 15:57, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
:If [[Abkhazia]], [[Illinois]] and [[Afghanistan]] are dangerous [[war zone safety|war zones]] to be [[travel advisories|avoided at all costs]], so be it. Warn the user not to go to these awful places and move along. If you need to make more far-reaching changes, such as moving the boundaries of entire regions, it may best to open a discussion on the article's talk page and link to it from [[Wikivoyage:Requests for comment]] to gather feedback before making the change. Yes, the boundaries of an entity like "Iraqi Kurdistan" may well be a moving target (in the literal sense of 'target') so it's not always clear how to handle these. [[User:K7L|K7L]] ([[User talk:K7L|talk]]) 18:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
::Temper your indignance a little, because you know what is a ground for a permanent block? Block evasion, which you engaged in. It looks like we're willing to let this slide once, but if there's ever a reason to temporarily block your account again, make sure you don't try to evade the block by creating or using any more accounts or IPs. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 18:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
===Can we block certain words?===
A certain vandal / group of vandals seems to have an odd fascination with the word "fuerdai", whatever it is supposed to mean. As there is no conceivable legitimate use for it, is it technologically possible to block it from being inserted? Or at least a flag that alerts us to that "word" being used? Or is that a can of worms we rather not open? [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 22:54, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
:Such a thing ought to be possible with mediawiki software. Wikipedia automatically recognises and flags (though doesn't screen out) repeating characters and profanities, while Wikit****l prevents anyone from saving a revision with the word "Wikivoyage" in it. I'm not an expert on these things, however. [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 23:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
::I would expect the vandal then to switch to "feurdai", "fooerdy", "fuerdye", or "cucumber". I don't think there is much to be gained from banning individual words. Although if we could ban "bigly", I'd be in favour. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 23:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
:::[[Special:AbuseFilter]] should be capable of this, but it tends to be used sparingly as scanning every edit takes server time. [[User:K7L|K7L]] ([[User talk:K7L|talk]]) 23:30, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
===Account created===
An account called Hong kONg WHEELS was created recently. Hasn't done anything bad yet, so not at the moment urgently important, but you can see what the username means. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 17:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
:It's [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hong_kONg_WHEELS globally locked]. [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 17:20, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 17:22, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
===Block needed===
Please block [[User:Nine hundred and eighteen]]. Thank you. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 12:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
:And here's another sock of the same vandal: [[User:Kish-ben]]. I wonder if we could set up an abuse filter to stop some of these edits. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 23:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
::This was suggested already by [[User:Hobbitschuster]] somewhere - not sure where, but people rejected the idea for some reason. I see no harm in filtering the nonsense words this idiot is obsessed with. [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 09:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, the suggestion is just a few topics above this. And it wasn't really rejected, just ran out of steam as these threads often do. [[User:ThunderingTyphoons!|ThunderingTyphoons!]] ([[User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!|talk]]) 09:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I support setting up an abuse filter. There's no harm in trying it out. [[User:DaGizza|<font color="teal">Gizza</font>]]<sup> (<i>[[User_talk:DaGizza|<font color="teal">roam</font>]]</i>)</sup> 10:50, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
===Fishyness surrounding [[Preetz]]===
So a [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Caller34 single edit user] added a redlink to [[Preetz]] onto the Schleswig Holstein page and after being reverted by me on account of the redlink being hard to justify an "unrelated" [https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sevalas21 single edit user] created the "article" in a pretty sorry state which may or may not be part machine translation. I admit I should have gotten suspicious earlier, instead I humored the whole thing and turned it into an article with listings, but really I don't think there's any there there and I also don't think we should humor such shenanigans. Is there something fishy in the state of Schleswig and Holstein or should we let it be water down the Schlei? [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 01:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
: This is probably the Telstra users. I have limited internet at the moment so maybe someone else can get a Steward to check. Not possible to block as he will have already moved on to a number user account. You have two options, undo/delete the entry or if it is a useful entry, just ignore it. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 06:56, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:: Read the article, and nothing unusual here. Seems like the start of a city article to me, so don't think it should be classified as vandalism. [[User:ArticCynda|ArticCynda]] ([[User talk:ArticCynda|talk]]) 10:35, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
::: the latest edit came from yet another single edit user... [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 11:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:::: So this person has created about 7 pages in the last week with basic information and has also created about 30 new user accounts and made minor edits on a number of pagers. More disruption than vandalism. I assume just to distract other contributors. This is nothing new, the person has been doing this for years. We can either just ignore and let them carry on or we block all people using the internet provider being used from editing this site. I suspect the person has a personal problem, but is not willing to enter into any conversations on any topics when editing in this persona. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 14:55, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
===A new theory===
How does Telstra even make all these accounts? How does he not run out of devices to use if you ban his IP along with the account? Let's say I wanted to pull something like this off. I have a computer, a phone, two tablets, and my school Chromebook. Let's say I created one vandalism account per device before the IP was successfully blocked, and did five edits per device before being caught. That's 25 edits. Still nowhere near the amount of edits made by Telstra accounts, at least to my own knowledge. I would quickly run out of devices. Even if I went to my local library and set up one account for all ~8 public computers there, that's still only 65 edits. Let's say that I then bought one phone per year for ten years. That's STILL only 115 edits. I'm starting to believe that maybe Telstra is not one person. My theory is that this is either a massive concerted effort by maybe a dozen or so people, or Telstra doesn't really exist and we're just mistaking a bunch of unrelated vandals for one person or hacker syndicate. Or maybe Telstra was once a major vandal, and even created sockpuppet accounts, but in reality, many of the edits we think are Telstra are in fact copycats of the real Telstra. Maybe by talking about Telstra on every other article, we're encouraging copycats to misbehave, and we mistakenly think that the copycats are THE Telstra. I should know, even User:ThunderingTyphoons was suspicious that '''I''' was Telstra! So it's not out of the realm of possibility that we could be overexaggerating the Telstra threat, or even looking at all this the wrong way. What do you guys think? [[User:Libertarianmoderate|Libertarianmoderate]] ([[User talk:Libertarianmoderate|talk]]) 21:21, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
: Yes it is the same person, there are ways of telling. However IP address is not connected to the hardware you are using but the internet connection you are using. It is easy to get a new IP address, simply reboot your router, when it comes up again it will be given a new number by the internet provider, within a particular range. In this case the person is using a mobile network connection from one of the main providers in South West Australia so even easy to keep changing. Also without special authority, or illegal hacking, you cannot get the IP address of a Wiki account name. So we would have to stop everyone using this network from creating an account on the site. This could be considered, would not be that many people for Wikivoyage I think (although would be for Wikipedia). And if only block new account creation would not effect established users. However not sure if that would work, he would probably just change network provider. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 06:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
::Telstra the internet provider is rather notorious with having all kinds of problems; including spambots... [[User:Hobbitschuster|Hobbitschuster]] ([[User talk:Hobbitschuster|talk]]) 08:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
===I'm not understanding===
I'm not understanding [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ponnock534&oldid=3555195 this]. It doesn't seem like normal procedure when it comes to vandals. Maybe I'm missing something. [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]]) 23:11, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
===User:FUERDAl on Ferris Wheels===
Telstra: yea or nay? [[User:Libertarianmoderate|Libertarianmoderate]] ([[User talk:Libertarianmoderate|talk]]) 19:43, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
:No, a different repeat vandal. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 22:43, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
===Here we go again: {{Ping|Firedai}}===
I found another Fuerd-ai sockpuppet. Here's his [[Special:Contributions/Firedai|contribution list]]. [[User:Libertarianmoderate|Libertarianmoderate]] ([[User talk:Libertarianmoderate|talk]]) 17:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
:The vandal was blocked the day before you posted this notice -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 18:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
===BTCentralPlus===
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In addition to vandalizing his own talk page(s), BTCentralPlus has begun sending harassing emails to admins using [[Special:EmailUser]] (see image at right). Until we can get the abuse filter updated (and let's pray that someone comes through soon), please remember when blocking this user to not only prevent him from editing his own talk page, but also from sending email. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 23:01, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
:I received a Wikivoyage-generated email from [[User:Libertarianmoderate]] that reads:
::"SmokinTourist909 is not Telstra. It's me. I made two attempts to start a new account with a clean slate, and both of them were blocked. Now my IP address is blocked."
:-- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 16:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::Yes, that's correct. I think he said that on his talk page as well. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">contributions</font>]]) 16:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Also, see [[User_talk:Libertarianmoderate#Apology_#2|this talk page message of his]]. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">contributions</font>]]) 16:18, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
===User:SoftAngelFromHell===
This user is adding odd, out-of place statements on talk pages and did so on the [[Iowa]] article. I'm not quite sure what we should do about this user. ---[[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|contributions]]) 02:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|SoftAngelFromHell}} Never mind. I wrote this in error, since the user brought this up in a very civilized way on [[Wikivoyage talk:Vandalism in progress]]. --Comment by [[User:SelfieCity|Selfie City]] ([[User talk:SelfieCity|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|contributions]]) 02:23, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
===User:Howoddthatwas===
Ban them from their own talk page and from using email, please. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">contributions</font>]]) 19:28, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
:Also, their talk page needs to be deleted, user page needs to be deleted, and their "comments" need to be deleted — no reason to preserve commentary made by a vandal, especially considering the "quality" of the language. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">contributions</font>]]) 19:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
===[[User:Pierrereeves]]===
Not officially a vandal yet, but look at his user page. Let's keep an eye on this one. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 15:47, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, I saw that; I think we ought to pay attention to any edits they make to mainspace pages. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">contributions</font>]]) 15:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::I wouldn't be surprised if "good old" [[pcv]] is back. Sometimes I wish I wouldn't have such a good memory for details, but I remember [[Special:Contributions/DumfriesNative|nature of the comments by one]] of their [[Wikivoyage_talk:Deletion_policy/Archive_2004-2013#Recent_accounts|last incarnations]], and they [[User:Gol929|also]] [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Traveler100&diff=prev&oldid=2916194 stated] they had mental issues. By the way, certain other new accounts have also showed a similar pattern of behavior, sockpuppets and all. --[[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 17:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
===94.197.120.89===
Their [[Special:Contributions/94.197.120.89|"contributions"]] speak for themselves. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 17:35, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
: [[User:Tegel]], I [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage:Vandalism_in_progress&diff=prev&oldid=3598774 think] the clown who keeps vandalizing your discussion page is here again. Would you have the honor of blocking this vandal, before any other admin does it? :) [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 17:40, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::Looks like Meta took care of it for us; the IP is now globally locked. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 23:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
===User:Agrosswilkinson===
I'm a little suspicious about this being Telstra. While the edits they made to [[Saint Helena (island)|the St. Helena article]] on the surface appear quite [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Saint_Helena_(island)&type=revision&diff=3596437&oldid=3596377&diffmode=source constructive], the punctuation and the spacing in the listing they added is a little odd, almost like little bits and pieces were copied from other sources in an attempt to make a coherent whole.
No one's added the Telstra message to their talk page, although when I added the welcome message to their talk page, they did not respond. I'm really not too sure about this one. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">contributions</font>]]) 17:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
:The spacing and capitalization issues are odd, but this isn't Telstra's M.O., nor does any of the content they added seem to be copyvio. I'd say copyedit the listing and maybe keep an eye on him, but I doubt this is anything to worry about. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 17:29, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
::I used the search engine to look for any copy violation issues, and in the meta descriptions for some websites I did see similarities (but nothing really obvious, just things like "pristine waters" that matched, etc). However, when I went to the websites with the meta descriptions that were similar, I couldn't find those similarities. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#14866d">contributions</font>]]) 17:32, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
===BTCentralPlus vandalism, but is it ''the'' BTCentralPlus vandal?===
[[File:pcv20180907.png|thumb|300px]]
The odd bit of pcv that I screenshotted at right was perpetrated by [[User:86.159.7.192]]. This is a BTCentralPlus IP, but it traces to Steeple Claydon, Buckinghamshire, whereas the usual page-blanking, admin-insulting vandal on that mobile network geolocates to Chorley, Lancashire. I realize this is probably a coincidence, but then again the bona fide BTCentralPlus vandal [[User:217.46.94.225|popped up again]] recently using an IP address not covered by the abuse filter, so maybe not. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 20:29, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:I encountered something of that nature fairly recently as well, and I'm not sure if it is BTCentralPlus. The content which you took the screenshot of is not the obvious vandalism you get from Chorley but at the same time PCV vandalism doesn't help anyone. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 20:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
::Well, vandals have been known to switch tactics. I think it might be good to stay on the lookout for more incidents like this, especially from IP addresses in BTCentralPlus ranges. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 20:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:::From what we've seen so far the BTCentralPlus vandal isn't very smart, just determined to vandalize. But those kinds of vandals could still change tactics if they thought they could get away with it (and maybe even leave us all wondering). And I wouldn't be very surprised, although maybe a little, if BTCentralPlus started using accounts instead of IP addresses. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 21:06, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
===WVOnline is LibMod===
Their user page, as of Sept. 11 UTC, uses an Australian accent to put admins off the track, they use ping, they openly show an interest in the US and the Middle East, and they deleted some discussion where I showed suspicion of them being LM. Plus the timing. Really suspicious. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 14:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:I'd had my suspicions, but they weren't strong enough to take action. Now they are. Thank you, [[User:SelfieCity]]. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 14:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for taking action. I think LM was trying to get around the message you put up in relation to American Ride, but at the same time the hints were there — all that about I'm finally working out ping was nonsense. But I must say, LM is determined. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 14:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
::: Can confirm WVOnline is LibMod, using same internet access point. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 17:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
::::[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]], how does one determine that in the case of a user who's not an anonymous IP? This might be a big help. -- [[User:AndreCarrotflower|AndreCarrotflower]] ([[User talk:AndreCarrotflower|talk]]) 17:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yes, if there was a way in which we could identify doppelgangers this easily, it would be a huge help when it comes to all kinds of vandals, with the exception of ones like Telstra that travel from place to place. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 18:07, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::: Currently you would have to make a request to a Wikimedia steward to do a ''checkuser''. Some people have authority to look up the IP address used by a named account. Currently non of the Wikivoyage admins or bureaucrats have this right. --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 19:11, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I see. By the way, I just noticed that you deleted some redirects to [[Saharan Chad]], created by guess whom? <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 20:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Well done, Traveler100. For the record, these are the aliases confirmed by checkuser for this editor: Libertarianmoderate, SmokinTourist909, Zayn Hussein, WVOnline, Iraqistan, LibMod, American Ride. [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 22:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
{{outdent}} Yep, sounds right, with the exception of SoftAngelFromHell, who we thought might have been LM. I’m now expecting more LMs to come along in the future. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 22:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
: Is [[User:Alphaomegaone]], you know who? --[[User:Traveler100|Traveler100]] ([[User talk:Traveler100|talk]]) 15:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::I got your notification. I'm not a vandal. [[User:Alphaomegaone|Alphaomegaone]] ([[User talk:Alphaomegaone|talk]]) 15:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:Creating a bunch of articles with almost no content about specks on the US map, and an interest in [[Talk:Rojava]]. The pattern does sound familiar, as does the tone. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 15:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
* You know, I got this same exact feeling. Let's keep vigilant. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 15:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::Fine. Keep an eye on me. And you'll see, NO VANDALISM!! [[User:Alphaomegaone|Alphaomegaone]] ([[User talk:Alphaomegaone|talk]]) 16:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
===How to handle our friends, the "vandels"===
We have a general principle, Deny recognition. Overall, I think it's a good idea, especially for individuals who are trying to get our attention all the time (notice how I avoided naming the vandals here to deny recognition). But when it comes to the Pub takeover vandalism (that's BTCentralPlus, right) who keeps making comments on talk pages, maybe a different approach. This user seems to only be interested in leaving comments. The comments are not usually inappropriate, they don't do any harm, and they're quite entertaining. Why do we continually revert them? It'll only make the vandal angrier to do it again. But if we leave the comments up, ban the user but not take his comments too seriously, and "laugh with the vandal" if you will, it would put less burden on the administrators to revert the comments and we could get on with other things on the website. While BTCentralPlus will never become one of our friends, we could make him much less of a problem and less of an enemy by not blindly reverting everything he does.
I'm sure at least one individual will agree with me, and he will probably say so in the lines below, but IMO there's no need to revert his statement unless it is inappropriate. What do others think of this proposal? <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 00:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
===[[Special:Contributions/66.87.150.50|66.87.150.50]]===
This IP insists that [[User talk:Ibaman|Ibaman's talk page]] should contain some garbled text and dysfunctional links and is edit warring. [[User:Mx. Granger]] or [[User:Ground Zero]], you seem to be here right now, could either of you block them? [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 15:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:Done. Yps, are you not an admin? Maybe you should be. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 15:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
::I'm not really interested. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 15:23, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:: You would make a really good Admin, should you change your mind, it must be said. Thanks for fixing my page, and for all the good edits you habitually make. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 15:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Ypsilon, I also encourage you to reconsider. Bring an admin would have enabled you to block the vandal instead of asking Granger and me to do it. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 15:34, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Agreed, and I’m not an administrator. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 00:43, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Ypsilon}} Just so you know, the ping didn't work – I just happened to see this discussion now. When pinging someone, it doesn't work to just add their username to an existing comment - you have to have a new signature. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 00:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::Good to know for me, too. <small>--Comment by </small> '''[[User:SelfieCity|<font color="#808000">Selfie City</font>]]''' ([[User_talk:SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">talk</font>]] about my [[Special:Contributions/SelfieCity|<font color="#ac6600">contributions</font>]]) 01:15, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::If the ping didn't work, then someone, somewhere must have changed something recently. Good to know. --[[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 11:22, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
===The "Steward hater"===
Haven't seen [[Special:Contributions/Shawn_Arnold|this type of vandalism]] in a couple of weeks, though it was pretty common a few months back. Yup, the one who creates a new account to write obscenities on stewards and wikipedia admin's talk pages here on Wikivoyage. As I was typing this, they were vandalizing this very page. [[User:Ypsilon|ϒpsilon]] ([[User talk:Ypsilon|talk]]) 16:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)All content in the above text box is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license Version 4 and was originally sourced from https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?oldid=3613900.
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