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==''[[cane]]'' and ''[[can]]'' in [[w:consilience|consilience]] ==

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 eng:	{{l|en|cane}}
 esp:	{{l|es|caña}}
 fre:	{{l|fr|canne}}
 ita:	{{l|it|canna}}
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:: For example, the {{term|sugar}} originally meant the gravel, while [[糖]] has ever meant the same thing so that it could serve as a bench mark. Should both get together as I had them, the former could be defined or refined more precisely. Furthermore, the latter helps fast in case you look for a hanja for sugar. Hanja may be the greatest semantic heritage for us all, I guess. 

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:: How again and again I wish everyone here behave oneself! 
:: --[[User:KYPark|KYPark]] ([[User talk:KYPark|talk]]) 04:1::: Wrong. Sugar comes from Sanskrit, not from Chinese. The Chinese character has never been used for the Sanskrit word or any of its descendants. A Chinese character doesn't belong in the [[sugar]] entry any more than Tongan [[tō]] belongs in the [[糖]] entry. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 04:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

:: How again and again I wish everyone here behave oneself! 
:: --[[User:KYPark|KYPark]] ([[User talk:KYPark|talk]]) 04:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
::: You can start by behaving yourself. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 04:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

: There are two etymologies here. The western one traces back to borrowing from Hebrew {{term|קָנֶה|tr=qane|lang=he}}, or from some other Semitic language, into Greek and Latin, and from them throughout the languages of Europe. The eastern one is from Chinese, borrowed with or without the character [[罐]] (the character {{l|ja|缶}} doesn't belong here, since it means "jar", not "cane" or "pipe"). The Middle Chinese form is transliterated as "*guǎn", and the Semitic one starts with some variant of the uvular stop q, so it would seem that they started out different and have converged over time. If you want to claim these are all the same, you'll have to show how the Semitic and the Chinese are connected. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 04:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)