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== Chilhaataii ==

Thank you for explaining your reverssement of Chilhaataii, thanks and good day. --[[Choyoołʼįįhí:Archaeodontosaurus|Archaeodontosaurus]] 07:01, 20 Ghąąjįʼ 2011 (UTC)

== Anáʼálwoʼ:Íʼneelʼąąhígíí ==
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:The person is naʼałkaahi. I was gonna tackle that starting next month; it's a lot. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 07:19, 19 Yaʼiishjááshchilí 2012 (UTC)

::Okay, thanks. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Stephen G. Brown|—Stephen]] <sup>([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Stephen G. Brown|> haneʼ]])</sup> 09:00, 19 Yaʼiishjááshchilí 2012 (UTC)
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== béésh łichíiʼii ==

[[béésh łichíiʼii]] = copper, but I have also seen [[béésh łichíʼii]] for bronze. Are these really two different words, or just two different spellings of the same word? At first I assumed they were the same word, but now I wonder if there might a real difference. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Stephen G. Brown|—Stephen]] <sup>([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Stephen G. Brown|> haneʼ]])</sup> 04:49, 10 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:same thing. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 05:32, 10 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::Ahéheeʼ. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Stephen G. Brown|—Stephen]] <sup>([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Stephen G. Brown|> haneʼ]])</sup> 05:37, 10 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)

== About [[user:Crochet.david.bot]] ==

Hi. Why block my bot ? [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Crochet.david|Crochet.david]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Crochet.david|talk]]) 06:01, 13 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:Operating bots without contact-page is against policy. You were notified on July 1 last year; no response. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 07:06, 13 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::Where is the notification ? [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Crochet.david|Crochet.david]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Crochet.david|talk]]) 07:17, 13 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::Was on talkpage for a year; talkpage deleted to avoid categorization. It isn't very encouraging when someone operates a bot and doesn't repsond to concerns in over a year. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 07:19, 13 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)

== About [[user:Matanyabot]] ==
Hi. Why block my bot ? [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Matanya|Matanya]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Matanya|talk]]) 07:01, 13 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:Operating bots without contact-page is against policy. You were notified on July 17 last year; no response. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 07:05, 13 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)

== [[User:FiriBot]] ==

Hello. Why did you blocked my bot '''without''' notifying me? Am I supposed to know your language and be able to find the place to request flag? This was a rude action.

Btw, it's not recommended to semi-protect a talk page. An administrator should be able to receive messages from anonymous contributors. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Firilacroco|Firilacroco]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Firilacroco|talk]]) 17:59, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:Oh, now I see. I have only two edits in two years. What was your problem with my bot then? [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Firilacroco|Firilacroco]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Firilacroco|talk]]) 18:01, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::your bot was notified 2 years ago. no response. you cannot be notified when no-one knows it's ''your'' bot, and that's exactly the point. you are required to have a valid contact-page. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 18:31, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::I must contradict you. When I had to notify an user about the requirement of a bot flag, I searched bot's username on en.wikipedia. (It's not that hard). You cannot expect an answer on ''this'' wiki (and it's not an important one with only 2000 articles). I don't check 710 project where I have active accounts; I must be crazy to do so.
:::Secondly, I cannot find a reasonable basis for '''blocking an account with 2 contributions'''. Maybe you can explain yourself. What exactly was the problem? You can't require a bot with almost no contribution on this wiki to have a contact page.
:::By this message, I firmly ask you to unblock the robot abusively blocked in my opinion, otherwise I will fill in a complain on Meta. Thank you. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Firilacroco|Firilacroco]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Firilacroco|talk]]) 20:27, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::::Read the bot-policy. It's on meta. You '''must''' have a contact page. If  you don't like that, then yes, go to meta and start a discussion about changing that policy. (and by the way, I wouldn't go around saying that other people's work or language is "not an important one") [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 20:40, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)

== Blocking bots and other stuffs ==

Hi Seb, please can you give me your point of view about [//nv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Choyoołʼįįhí:Jasper_Deng&action=history this issue] and can I ask why you're blocking bots with no edits at all ([//nv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Cellistbot&namespace=&year=&month=-1 i.e.])? Thank you! --[[Choyoołʼįįhí:Vituzzu|Vituzzu]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Vituzzu|talk]]) 20:13, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:Sure. 1) we routinely fix the babel-boxes to have them show up correctly 2) bots are required to a) have contact pages, and b) respond to messages. The blocked bots did not respond in over a year, I must assume they are not monitored for this wiki or their operators do not care. Cheers! [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 20:15, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::I see, and so, what if I'll create my userpage using the same style of #babel without using the template?
::Dealing with bots is pointless to block bots which are not active at all on this project, actually I do not even know if you use to look for sul-created accounts containing "bot" in order to block them?!
::--[[Choyoołʼįįhí:Vituzzu|Vituzzu]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Vituzzu|talk]]) 20:45, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't know about that template; in fact, it's the first time I changed it back, usually Stephen does that (that's why I'm surprised I get picked on, Stephen did that so many times and no-one ever complained; I can't quite remember running into Frigotoni before, maybe he's got something else against me, not sure)
:::yes, it's SUL created bot-accounts that are notified to please provide the user's name. I waited over a year for a response, I don't think that's unresonable. What do you suggest? [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 20:49, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::::If someone did it already it was a mistake, setting apart that babel template is now generally deprecated in favour of the new babel extension you started an edit-war without even knowing what were you doing? o.O Putting it midly you're forcing user to use a certain layout on their userpages, so I think I won't be able to write "I speak IT, EN, FR and SCN" on my own userpage but I *must* use {{tl|babel}} instead! Honestly, taking a look at [//nv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Choyoołʼįįhí:Vituzzu&action=history this] too I think there are dozens of better ways to improve nv.wiki rather than an oppressive and useless "user management".
::::Dealing with bots, can you point me the policy which prevents account containing the word "bot" in their usernames to be registered on this wiki? I'd like to see, also, where it comply with global bot policy which that wiki accepts.
::::Honestly Seb az I really appreciated your thoughts on many discussions but here, to me, you're damnly wrong.--[[Choyoołʼįįhí:Vituzzu|Vituzzu]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Vituzzu|talk]]) 20:59, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::::Excuse me, could you tone it down as well? I don't think I'm unreasonable, but you're insulting me right now with your word-choice. Is that a cultural difference to go so hot-headed right away? edit war (one revert)? "Oppresive"? "damn" wrong?
:::::So what is your suggestion? that was an honest question, not rhetoric, you still don't have an answer. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 21:05, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::::So, yeah, apparently regular users are allowed to name themselves "bot". That's weird, but I haven't found anything to the contrary. I suggest I'll unblock those "users" (?) without edits. The others, however, must have a contact page, that is indeed in the global bot-policy. If you're not sure that's a good policy, then maybe (as I suggested to the user above) ''you'' can start a discussion about that on meta. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 21:17, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::::Alright. Done. Now -- should the global bot policy be changed? If you think so, go to meta, I'll be interested in the discussion. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 21:30, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::::::Simply it's pointless to block (supposed) *inactive* bots, for example I have [[User:Irclogbot]] which is never supposed to edit (it's a read-only bot), why should I create an userpage for it on that wiki? --[[Choyoołʼįįhí:Vituzzu|Vituzzu]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Vituzzu|talk]]) 22:26, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I take it this is resolved then. Again, if there's going to be discussion about the bot-olicy on meta, I'd be interested in that. Thanks. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 23:11, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Good for me, I've also dropped a line to Stephan, I think you just need a hand to manage the #babel extension (though I cannot do it at all there are many guys which can help us). Dealing with bots I agree with your final statement, you should block only bots with edits while other ones will hardly edit. Sorry if I was a bit too harsh but, honestly, the "comment-hiding" you made made me a bit upset. See you! --[[Choyoołʼįįhí:Vituzzu|Vituzzu]] ([[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Vituzzu|talk]]) 23:51, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)

== Message by Frigotoni ==
::Sorry, how is an IP able to contact you, if wants? Your talk page has not suffered any vandalisms recently. ''we routinely fix the babel-boxes'': it seems it's that you here the only active admin. Does the "community" approve it? --[[User:Frigotoni|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; color:black" >'''Frigotoni'''</span>]][[:meta:User_talk:Frigotoni|<small> ...<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy" >'''i'm here'''</span></small>]]; 20:21, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::Stephen usually does that, he's an admin, too. Maybe you should check the facts before you make statements; are you the community?  [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 20:23, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::::<small>Really? I've said you're the only one ''active''. Stephen seems isn't active</small>--[[User:Frigotoni|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; color:black" >'''Frigotoni'''</span>]][[:meta:User_talk:Frigotoni|<small> ...<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy" >'''i'm here'''</span></small>]]; 20:29, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
::::Nope. And concerning [//nv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Choyoo%C5%82%CA%BC%C4%AF%C4%AFh%C3%AD:Jasper_Deng&curid=14071&diff=133753&oldid=133693 this]? Are you allowed to remove other user's (positive) comment? Was my comment wrong? Neither inappropriate (I said what I thought) nor a kind of vandalism. Tell me, is that possible that on over 500 projects, just on nv.wikipedia an admin (and the only one active there) has to change someone else user page? What should Jasper think? --[[User:Frigotoni|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; color:black" >'''Frigotoni'''</span>]][[:meta:User_talk:Frigotoni|<small> ...<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy" >'''i'm here'''</span></small>]]; 20:27, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
:::::Stephen was here less than 24 chours ago, check your facts. I am sure Jasper would approve. Your edit summary was in English. Other than that, I am not having this aggressive discussion with you. Change your tone or any further posts will be reverted. [[Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Seb az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 20:30, 17 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)