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I am asking opinion on this statement and whether it should be kept, ''Stalin's death also came exactly 13 years later to the minute of signing Katyn execution orders on March 5 [[1940]] at 9:50pm.'' The page was fully protected for a few moments after I removed it and it was reverted by the user that added it. It is unsourced and the statement does not appear at the Joseph Stalin and Katyn Massacre articles at enWP, and at the Joseph Stalin article here. Threads that relate to this topic maybe found [[User talk:Goril|here]](user who added statement), [[User talk:NonvocalScream|here]] (admin who protected page), and [[WP:ST|here]] (where I posted a copy of this message). [[User:Griffinofwales|Griffinofwales]] ([[User talk:Griffinofwales|talk]]) 04:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:I added a fact template; once a source can be found, it should in any case be rewritten to be more encyclopedic.--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 07:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
::Is this coincidence even relevant, especially considering the [[:en:WP:UNDUE|length of the article]]?  --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]]</sup> 12:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Personally, I would say it is irrelevant, even if it can be sourced. For my part I would also like to see that most of the text be split into "Moscow Kremlin"; I have seen multiple Kremlins in other cities. Given that this article is still quite short I would however wait with the splitting until it is longer. We don't want to create two-line stubs unnecessarily. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 13:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That was my opinion, now I know others share it. [[User:Griffinofwales2|Griffinofwales2]] ([[User talk:Griffinofwales2|talk]]) 16:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)⏎
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== removal of stalin's body ==

Because of the [[Katyn massacre]], [[Joseph Stalin]]'s body was removed from Lenin mausoleum on [[October 31]] [[1961]]. This was very ironic, because it was on the eve of ([[All Saints Day]]) holiday that he had banned when he came to power. Stalin's death also came exactly 13 years later to the minute of signing Katyn execution orders on March 5 [[1940]] at 9:50pm. this was no coincidence!
[[Nikita Khrushchev]] ordered his body be reburied behind the Kremlin Wall in a simple [[grave]]. Removal was part of the successful destalinization process started by Khrushchev in March [[1953]]. By 1956, all Stalin towns and cities were renamed worldwide.

Other websites:
*[history1900s.about.com/od/worldleaders/a/stalinembalm.htm  Death of Stalin AT 9:50pm, March 5 1953, removal of disgraced Joseph Stalin's body from Lenin's mausuleum]
*[www.google.co.uk/gwt/x?ct=np&ei=1NPXSrTeC4mqoAfUjtHdCw&expid=ctrl&source=m&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/10/stalin_put_on_trial_loses_russ.html&whp=358&wsc=gh&wsi=752e0a3742916628 Joseph Stalin on trial, 56 years after death, stalin's grandson loses trial on Stalin defamation publication, essentially putting Stalin on trial for war crimes & other crimes against humanity!!!]