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==Article based on English Wikipedia==
This article was created based on these soureces:
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Football_in_India&oldid=497915567  this version of the English Wikipedia article about Football in India]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I-League&oldid=498726858 this version of the English Wikipedia article about I-League] 
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I-League_2nd_Division&oldid=497015855  this version of the English Wikipedia article about I-League 2nd Division]. 

The complete history of these articles can be found there. --[[User:Horeki|Horeki]] ([[User talk:Horeki|talk]]) 18:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

==Structural strategy in football articles==
After [[List of Indian football teams]] was created, I developed 
* [[Pune F.C.]] + [[List of Pune F.C. players]]
* [[Sporting Clube de Goa]] + [[List of Sporting Clube de Goa players]]
* Indian football clubs ...? + List of Indian football club players ...?

There is a good reason for two linked articles instead of just one.
* One article is about the team or the corporate "[[Trademark|brand name]]" which exists across a span of seasons 
* The list article identifies some of the players whose individual efforts and contributions help create the team's record.

In part, the paired articles may help to highlight a structural distinction between the long-term goals of an [[encyclopedia]] article and the somewhat different goals of time-sensitive [[journalism]].  In other words, journalism is the "first draft" of history; but the articles in our Wikipedia project try to step back a bit.  Do you see the difference?

Experience with articles about [[List of Japanese football teams|Japanese association football teams]] persuade me that the two-article strategy avoids problems in advance.

For example, there are only two players mentioned in the article about [[Pune F.C.]].  In the "Notable achievement" section, we read specific reasons why each player is notable. In contrast, those identified at [[List of Pune F.C. players]] are notable only because each is part of the Pune team.  Please compare [[Kawasaki Frontale#Notable Achievement]] and [[List of Kawasaki Frontale players]].  

Is this strategy understandable? Is it best in our SEWP context?  --[[User:Horeki|Horeki]] ([[User talk:Horeki|talk]]) 12:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:After reading through your posts I have come to my own conclusion that, while I still dont like this, I would not mind separate articles as long as they link to each other. So lets continue on. First have to fix the Pune FC ones. --[[User:Arsenalkid700|Arsenalkid700]] ([[User talk:Arsenalkid700|talk]]) 15:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

::Auntof6 suggests [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Auntof6&diff=3712693&oldid=3712116  here] that others may be willing to help us look at this issue from a wider perspective?<p>A summary at [[Wikipedia:Simple talk#Standard format for football club articles]] may bring other points of view to this discussion.  This may help us develop a consensus about what to do going forward. --[[User:Horeki|Horeki]] ([[User talk:Horeki|talk]]) 19:18, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

===Comments===
*Wherever the player lists end up, it would be good to always put a date on them. For example, put something like "As of July 1, 2012, the following players were on the team:". That way, if the date is fairly far in the past, the readers can know that things might have changed. You might also like to make use of the template {{tl|Update after}} to flag lists that should be updated. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 21:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

::Excellent idea. That should have already been the common sense thing to do. --[[User:Arsenalkid700|Arsenalkid700]] ([[User talk:Arsenalkid700|talk]]) 22:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)