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== [[Index:1930 QLD Royal Commission into Racing Report.djvu]] ==

This is a mess , with 2 different styles of sidenotes used.

Can someone set ONE style consistently across this, and leave a note on the talk page? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

(contracted; show full)int: a link should be obvious, so linking the word "of" to an article on the paleontology of Kansas is not likely to be helpful. The user at this end will not spot that unless they know to first hover over the link. Hiding a link behind text that isn't immediately relevant, obviously connected, or purposefully leading to that link is not especially helpful in my view, and ought to be avoided. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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== 190th Fighter Squadron, Blues and Royals friendly fire incident - [[Transcript of the 'friendly fire' incident video (28 March 2003)]] ==

Wikisource, very usefully, provides access to audio and video from the 190th Fighter Squadron, Blues and Royals friendly fire incident. It also offers a transcript. I am part of a team of four sociologists, specialising in studies of interaction, who have been working on this incident since the video was first released to the public in 2007. As part of our work, we have produced a transcript that significantly improves on the one released to the public and that currently on Wikisource (which reproduces mistakes in the original). We'd like to make that work available through wikisource - how do we go about it? {{unsigned|Michaelmair}}
:Please do correct any errors in the transcript, and provide a text summary that makes that apparent, eg. <tt>correcting errors made in previous transcription from audio</tt>. The associated talk page is also useful to add a comment if you need to explain what and why you have done certain edits, or to link to pertinent, and relevant other sources. The purpose of this wiki and our proofreading processes is to present accurate texts from the original edition.<p>On a similar note, if you have other works in the public domain, we would be interested to hear from you about those, and we can provide assistance to bring them online. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 23:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

== Text rotation / vertical text ==

Hello. I'm sure I'm not the first who asks this question, but is there a way to display vertical text (e.g. in table headers)? Maybe using <nowiki><math></math></nowiki>, or any other way? [[User:Nonexyst|Nonexyst]] ([[User talk:Nonexyst|talk]]) 19:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
:Presumably you are referring to [[Page:The Gall Wasp Genus Cynips.pdf/48|this page]]? If this is acceptable (and works universally—will need to check if some browsers infarct on that!) then adding to {{tl|table style}} should be a comparatively easy step. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 21:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
::Works on FF 31.0 (and looks great) but not IE8—both under Windows 7 (Enterprise Service Pack 1). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC) P.S. Should say that the table still looks fine on IE8, it just doesn't have rotated text.
:::BTW [[Template:Table-rotate]] exists. (Not mine and I've never used it.) [[Template:Rotate]] exists too, explicitly "experimental." [[User:Djr13|djr13]] ([[User talk:Djr13|talk]]) 07:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::I was kind of afraid of that. For the record, {{tl|rotate}} did not work in the current version of Firefox (didn't contain the CSS transform:rotate() or display:inline-block clauses.) I have added these, so if that template now (still?) works in I.E. then there might be a way forward. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::Same pattern. Works in FF 31.0 but not IE8. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{strike|O.K. That's me officially out of ideas.}} [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 09:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::Once more for luck: I quite forgot {{ping|George Orwell III}}'s 90-degree rotation CSS classes ("rot90", "rot180" and "rot270": which ought to work in I.E. as well as Firefox at least.) Would somebody please be so kind as to verify if [[Page:The Gall Wasp Genus Cynips.pdf/48|this version]] fails in their browser (and if so please make a note here)? 10:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::: Thanks to everyone, especially [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]]. Both methods work in Chromium 30.0.1599.114 and Firefox 25.0.1. I tried to do something like first method, but maybe made some syntax error. [[User:Nonexyst|Nonexyst]] ([[User talk:Nonexyst|talk]]) 17:27, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::: I applied the second method to [[Page:The Gall Wasp Genus Cynips.pdf/56|this page]] and some columns did not shrink in width. (For example, the second one with vertical header). What I did wrong? [[User:Nonexyst|Nonexyst]] ([[User talk:Nonexyst|talk]]) 17:50, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::This is outright cheating and serves merely as a demonstration: [[Page:The Gall Wasp Genus Cynips.pdf/56|(page 50)]]. The columns previously took their "width" from the '''unrotated''' text: well-now-height (are you confused yet?) By enclosing each entry in {{tl|zfloat left}}s (which as a side-effect declares its contents as zero-width) and then adding min-width styling to stop empty columns collapsing too much&hellip;<p>Well I admit this is really ugly, needs further tweaking at least and possibly substitution of an even better approach&hellip; [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 18:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah the text is rotated under IE11 here but those class definitions mentioned earlier need to be "calculated" on the fly somehow (or re-worked altogether?). Without that I agree - it looks rather "ugly" though its better than anything else I've seen in this area. -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 21:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::I "simplified" a bit further (still pretty ugly.)<p>There is of course, in the last resort, the choice of making each rotated title into an image&hellip; advantages are: "official", compact, works broadly and can be made cut-and-paste friendly through use of alt text on said images. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 00:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)</p>
:::::::::::In IE8 [[Page:The_Gall_Wasp_Genus_Cynips.pdf/48|this table]] has the rotated text albeit shifted to the right as if there is a linebreak before each header, but the headers on [[Page:The_Gall_Wasp_Genus_Cynips.pdf/56|the other table]] doesn't rotate and, interestingly, the not-rotated headers over-write the page image, while the rest of the table is underneath the image. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

== TOC formatting help ==

If anyone is willing, I need help formatting the first page of [[Page:The poems of Richard Watson Gilder, Gilder, 1908.djvu/11|this TOC]].  I have already proofread the text.  I ''do'' have some requests, however. Please:
#Use simple table formatting (as basic as possible... something I can understand and replicate myself for the remainder of the TOC)
#Use ''limited'' (and ''only'' if necessary) templates
#Do ''not'' replicate the dots
#Simplify, simplify, simplify
Thank you, thank you, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 18:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:I've done it as simply as I know—which is how I would do this table anyway. The {{tl|ts}} templates are either "ar" (align right) or "ac" (align centre) and the colspans are to spread the text across more than one column. I haven't used anything else. I've assumed you'll look after the rest of the linking. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 05:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::Beautiful, thank you, BWC :)  I'll take it from here, but I might check back with you if I hit any bumps along the way.  Thank you so much, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 16:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Beeswaxcandle}} Bump #1:  How do you format the indentation of sections I & II present at the top of [[Page:The poems of Richard Watson Gilder, Gilder, 1908.djvu/12|this page]]?  [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 19:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: <s>Use <nowiki>{{ts|it42}}</nowiki> if that's not sufficient, I will add the code. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]]</s>
:::: My apologies but the design is fundamentally incorrect. {{Ping|Londonjackbooks}} I will redo the table. 21:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::::: Now? Simpler than reworking the whole table; and if I didn't point it out would you have noted the imprecision? [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 23:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::I'm happy with the results—  [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 00:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::: I am happy too. [[File:Face-smile.svg|20px]] A neat solution AuFCL! Although, reworking the table is not a big deal using the tools I have. Also, a single right align in the table header would have eliminated the numerous declarations of <nowiki>{{ts}ar}}</nowiki>. {{ping|AuFCL}} This is not a dig, it's more like a bit of a scrape. :D. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 08:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Fair point. I was trying to work with the cards as they happened to have been dealt with minimal consequent disruption. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::::::Educate me. How would putting a single right align in the header have only right-aligned the left and right fields, but left the main "text" field left-aligned? Also, I don't understand AuFCL's solution. Could we not have simply used : indenting? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:57, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::I shall have to let Ineuw address his own part, but as for "my solution" it was a simple rip-off of your own overall table formatting, applied as a sub-table within the (pair of) cells formerly occupied by "Body and Soul:—" and its (non-existent) page number. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 09:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::: {{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} Please store this with my other apologies. I overlooked the fact that it's a horizontal layout to which I am not used to. What I would have done is declare (ar) right align in the table definitions because they are the majority of the alignments, and apply (al) align left to the text. If I am not mistaken, if there is no left alignment declaration the text may end up justified, perhaps in the Page: namespace. As for the line wrap on the second page I would have used the "it42" <nowiki>padding-left:4.0em;text-indent:-2.0em;</nowiki> hanging indent shortcut or an indent that matches the text sample. — [[User talk:Ineuw|Ineuw talk]] 15:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::<Standing by quietly trying to learn from you all, and thanking you for whichever outcome you deem best :)> [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

== TOC with Horizontal Ellipses ==

Is there any good way of doing TOC with horizontal ellipses? Of my current projects, two works ([[Durgesa Nandini|This]] and [[The Poison Tree|this]]) have this type of TOC. I have transcribed the pages as I could, but the pages look quite ugly and appear differently in diff. browsers. Any solution please? [[User:Hrishikes|Hrishikes]] ([[User talk:Hrishikes|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for your message. You just beat me replying here; so I am guessing you already know the rest. [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 12:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks once again. I'll keep this as a guideline for future projects if needed. [[User:Hrishikes|Hrishikes]] ([[User talk:Hrishikes|talk]]) 12:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)