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==''[[cane]]'' and ''[[can]]'' in [[w:consilience|consilience]] ==

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 eng:	{{l|en|cane}}
 esp:	{{l|es|caña}}
 fre:	{{l|fr|canne}}
 ita:	{{l|it|canna}}
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:: If my understanding is correct, the various Wiktionary discussion pages would be the more appropriate place for such discussion and experimentation.  There are strict guidelines and expectations about entry format and content.  Definitions require certain kinds of citations, as described at [[WT:CFI]].  The policy for etymologies seems to be closer to Wikipedia's policy regarding original research, as described at [[w:Wikipedia:No_original_research]].

: [[File:Arrowyellow.png|15px]] Metaknowledge, what is your goal?
:* I ''think'' your goal is to keep entry format and content in line with what I've described above.
:: If my understanding is correct, would you object to KYPark adding [[蔗]] as a translation for {{term|lang=en|sugar cane}} (which it does appear to be), and to steering KYPark's more exploratory energies towards one of the WT discussion pages?
: As this Talk page currently stands, I'm not sure I fully understand what either of you are striving towards.  I do not mean this as a criticism, and rather as a statement of confusion.  I look forward to your replies, which will hopefully resolve my confusion.  -- Kind regards, [[User:Eirikr|Eiríkr&nbsp;Útlendi]]&nbsp;│&nbsp;<small style="position: relative; top: -3px;">''[[User talk:Eirikr|Tala&nbsp;við&nbsp;mig]]''</small> 07:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
::Well, you seem to understand my position perfectly. I would of course be fine with standard, correct edits and discussions on appropriate pages. Thanks for asking for clarification. --[[User:Metaknowledge|Μετάknowledge]]<small><sup>''[[User talk:Metaknowledge|discuss]]/[[Special:Contributions/Metaknowledge|deeds]]''</sup></small> 08:03⏎
::: My goal is ''exactly'' "to spark [such] discussion".

::: It is Metaknowledge who brought the case of [[蔗]] into this ''wrong'' place two minutes later than I opened it up, perhaps as I ignored his hint that I may ''talk'' about his revert on his ''User talk'' page. This is a case of injustice he did me. 

::: Yeah, I fully accept the need for consistent form and content, say, of Definition. But these are never for ever, but ever changes both in principle and in practice, mostly via experiments, as wikis do encourage but Metaknowledge did deny me to my agony! May I cry to the world that Wiktionary is not such an open place as may be wrongly wished or imagined by it but as may be probably administered roughly by unprincipled admins?

::: I do wonder why is it too bad to have [[蔗]] picturesque beside (or in addition to) ''Definition'' of {{term|sugar cane}} while it is so good to have it simply in ''Translations''. 
::: --[[User:KYPark|KYPark]] ([[User talk:KYPark|talk]]) 09:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

: [[File:Arrowyellow.png|15px]] Metaknowledge, what is your goal?
:* I ''think'' your goal is to keep entry format and content in line with what I've described above.
:: If my understanding is correct, would you object to KYPark adding [[蔗]] as a translation for {{term|lang=en|sugar cane}} (which it does appear to be), and to steering KYPark's more exploratory energies towards one of the WT discussion pages?

::: Well, you seem to understand my position perfectly. I would of course be fine with standard, correct edits and discussions on appropriate pages. Thanks for asking for clarification. --[[User:Metaknowledge|Μετάknowledge]]<small><sup>''[[User talk:Metaknowledge|discuss]]/[[Special:Contributions/Metaknowledge|deeds]]''</sup></small> 08:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

:::: You look like trying to agree with him, contrary to "to understand [your] position perfectly." He is focally asking you about your ''objection'' to me! Why do you water it down? --[[User:KYPark|KYPark]] ([[User talk:KYPark|talk]]) 09:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC) 

: As this Talk page currently stands, I'm not sure I fully understand what either of you are striving towards.  I do not mean this as a criticism, and rather as a statement of confusion.  I look forward to your replies, which will hopefully resolve my confusion.  -- Kind regards, [[User:Eirikr|Eiríkr&nbsp;Útlendi]]&nbsp;│&nbsp;<small style="position: relative; top: -3px;">''[[User talk:Eirikr|Tala&nbsp;við&nbsp;mig]]''</small> 07:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)